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From: novalidemail@ymail.com
On 9/29/2023 11:06 AM, No one wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2023, James wrote
> (in article<5ojdhi1ub9s7gq0d84sib88ri17jdudpsg@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT), "resl...@yahoo.com"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am reproducing this from what I have presented on the website:
>>>
>>> (1) The Bible hell (sheol/hades) is described as being the realm of death,
>>> that is, the realm of the condition of being dead; it is described as a
>>> condition in which there is no work, no device, no knowledge, nor wisdom.
>>> (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 -- many translations render "sheol" as "the grave" in
>>> verse 9).
>>>
>>> (2) The only Old Testament word translated hell in the King James Version
>>> is the Hebrew word transliterated as sheol, to which the New Testament word
>>> transliterated as hades corresponds.
>>>
>>> (3) In the King James translation of the Bible, sheol and hades are
>>> translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times and frequently
>>> when translated hell, the margin reads, "or, the grave," or vice versa.
>>> (Psalm 49:15; 55:15; 86:13; Isaiah 14:9; Jonah 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:55;
>>> Revelation 20:13) Many translations transliterate the words sheol and
>>> hades. A close examination of all the instances sheol and hedes in the
>>> Bible shows that the usage of these words are always in agreement with what
>>> is stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, except for one instance (Luke 16:23) in
>>> which Jesus makes use of the Hellenistic adaptation of hades to present a
>>> parabolic parody depicting how the Law and the Prophets were until John. --
>>> Luke 16:16.
>>>
>>> (4) Some translations render forms of the Greek word often transliterated
>>> as Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom) as "hell" or "hellfire", but this does not
>>> mean the same as sheol/hades.
>>>
>>> (5) Some translations also render the verb often transliterated as
>>> "tataroo" as "cast down to hell", but the word does not mean this at all.
>>>
>>> See our study: Tartaroo Vs. Tartarus
>>>
>>> (6) Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. (John 8:44) Satan promised
>>> Eve that her disobedience to God would not result in death; that is, that
>>> she would not die. He has been using the promise to deceive people all over
>>> the world ever since. (Genesis 3:1-4; Revelation 12:9) It is Satan who has
>>> the world believing that a person does not really die, therefore he lies to
>>> the world that those who are bad are roasting somewhere for all eternity,
>>> thus making God appear to be some kind of fiend. With such a view being
>>> broadly presented by a large portion of professed Christians, no wonder
>>> thousands are turning away from the Bible and going to neo-paganism,
>>> heathen religions and philosophies, agnosticism and atheism. The doctrine
>>> of eternal roasting is a blasphemy to the Creator. Indeed, those who claim
>>> to be friends of the Bible are often its worst enemies.
>>>
>>> (7) Satan uses all kinds of deceptive means to continue his lies, including
>>> spiritism, hypnotism, near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences, etc.
>>> "And when they say to you, 'Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who
>>> whisper and mutter,' should not a people seek their God? Should they seek
>>> the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they
>>> do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in
>>> them." -- Isaiah 8:19,20, New King James Version.
>>>
>>> (8) Many claim that hell is made up of various sections, and that
>>> originally paradise was a part of hell, and that another part of hell
>>> consisted of eternal torture. Contrary to the idea that any part of the
>>> Bible hell is a place of fire, torture, shrieks, etc., the Bible says:
>>> "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where
>>> you are going." - "in death there is no memory of you. In Sheol, who shall
>>> give you thanks?" - "For Sheol can't praise you, death can't celebrate
>>> you." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.
>>>
>>> (9) Nevertheless, good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (the Bible hell)
>>> at death: e.g., Jacob went down to sheol (Genesis 37:35); Job prayed to go
>>> to sheol, to be hidden there, until the resurrection (Job 14:13). Nor does
>>> the Bible even once depict the good as going to an alleged section of sheol
>>> called "paradise" at death, as is claimed by many. In the Bible, paradise
>>> is never depicted as a section of sheol or hades. Such a thought has to be
>>> imagined beyond what is written, and added to, and read into what is
>>> written. Instead of going to paradise at death, David expected to be in
>>> condition in sheol where he could not give thanks to Jehovah and we further
>>> read that "Sheol can't praise you, death can't celebrate you." These
>>> descriptions of the righteous in sheol do not agree with the added-on idea
>>> that paradise was ever a compartment in sheol. -- Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.
>>>
>>> (10) Jesus made his human soul "an offering for sin"; he "poured out his
>>> soul to death" (Isaiah 53:10, 12; Matthew 26:38), and descended into the
>>> Bible hell, but "his soul was not left in hell [sheol/hades - a state of
>>> unknowing]." Thus, Jesus' soul was in the oblivious condition in the Bible
>>> hell while he was dead, but it did not remain there. His, "soul", however
>>> in coming out of sheol, was not the sacrificed human soul, a little lower
>>> than the angels, which was offered once for all time on behalf of mankind,
>>> but was the exalted glorified soul, for he was put to death in the flesh,
>>> but made alive in the spirit. -- Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27,31,33; 5:31;
>>> Philippians 2:9; Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 3:18.
>>>
>>> (11) In old English the word hell simply meant to hide or to cover -
>>> helling potatoes meant putting them into pits, helling a house meant
>>> covering or thatching it, etc.; the word hell was therefore properly used
>>> as signifying the secret or hidden condition of death. It had no reference
>>> whatever to a place of eternal suffering until that meaning was attached to
>>> it by the theologians who adopted and adapted such ideas from the Jewish
>>> and heathen mythologies.
>>>
>>> (12) Thus, the English word corresponds to sheol and hades, which, in the
>>> Bible, means the unconscious, oblivious condition or realm of death, where
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