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   On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   > On 9/29/2023 10:34 AM, No one wrote:   
   > > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > (in article ):   
   > >   
   > > > On 9/28/2023 7:57 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > On Sep 28, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On 9/28/2023 1:06 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2023, Rod wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > Still believe in hellfire?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just   
   leave it   
   > > > > > > > > as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to   
   sheol. So   
   > > > > > > > > what is sheol?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the   
   place   
   > > > > > > > > where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone   
   goes.   
   > > > > > > > > Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch   
   Jacob knew   
   > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he   
   heard that   
   > > > > > > > > his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Genesis 37:34-35   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and   
   mourned   
   > > > > > > > > for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters   
   arose   
   > > > > > > > > to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said,   
   > > > > > > > > “Surely I   
   > > > > > > > > will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father   
   wept   
   > > > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > > > him."   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was   
   merely saying   
   > > > > > > > > that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in   
   his   
   > > > > > > > > grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   > > > > > > > > https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-t   
   e-grave-gehenna-hades   
   > > > > > > > > -h   
   > > > > > > > > el   
   > > > > > > > > l/   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Thus sheol is the grave   
   > > > > > > > > Thus hell is the grave.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the   
   Bible   
   > > > > > > > > truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that   
   tortures   
   > > > > > > > > forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love.   
   (1 John   
   > > > > > > > > 4:8)   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > > > > > > Can your part   
   > > > > > > > > of the earth survive?   
   > > > > > > > > 9/18/23   
   > > > > > > > > Go to jw.org   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by   
   Christianity   
   > > > > > > > and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative   
   way.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of   
   every   
   > > > > > > > last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that   
   might   
   > > > > > > > not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't   
   just   
   > > > > > > > but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it   
   is   
   > > > > > > > just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare   
   people   
   > > > > > > > into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to   
   eternal   
   > > > > > > > suffering?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > There is a case to be made for "Scaring the hell out of them", ;)\   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > It is far from necessary and not at all just. You can scare   
   > > > > > away those who have a sincere interest. There is NO justification   
   > > > > > for cruelty and wickedness and both are demonstrated in your hellish   
   > > > > > doctrine of hell.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > This is where the wisdom of God should rule and not the activist mind   
   of   
   > > > > some   
   > > > > religious persons carnal mind.   
   > > >   
   > > > Funny and clever! No..you had your say when your scribes created   
   > > > a hellish doctrine in an attempt to pass it off as directly from the   
   > > > mouth of God.   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Had you read the scripture I provided you would see that and not   
   operate   
   > > > > from   
   > > > > fear, or being PC   
   > > > > Jud 1:21-23   
   > > >   
   > > > Fear? No..disdain and loathing.   
   > >   
   > > The Son of God taught it extensively as a warning,   
   >   
   > Or so claims a believer....however the scriptures were written by men   
   > and not dictated by God, so you have a problem at this point. You have   
   > ZERO EVIDENCE that anything was written by this GOD. NONE, ZILCH, NADA.   
      
   They were inspired by God. Big difference. Where is the history of man before   
   the time of Noah?   
   >   
   >   
   > > it was also taught in theOld Testament,   
   >   
   > And we owe it all to a group of men that endorsed the doctrine of   
   > the divine right of kings.   
      
   You might, I don't.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget   
   > > God.” (Psa 9:17)   
   > >   
   > > "Nations" mean "people" are you one of those?   
      
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