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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 30/09/2023 3:58 am, Just a guy wrote:
> On 9/29/2023 10:34 AM, No one wrote:
>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>> (in article ):
>>
>>> On 9/28/2023 7:57 PM, No one wrote:
>>>> On Sep 28, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>> (in article ):
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/2023 1:06 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2023, Rod wrote
>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:
>>>>>>>> Still believe in hellfire?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it
>>>>>>>> as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So
>>>>>>>> what is sheol?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place
>>>>>>>> where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.
>>>>>>>> Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob
>>>>>>>> knew he
>>>>>>>> would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Genesis 37:34-35
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and
>>>>>>>> mourned
>>>>>>>> for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters
>>>>>>>> arose
>>>>>>>> to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said,
>>>>>>>> “Surely I
>>>>>>>> will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father
>>>>>>>> wept for
>>>>>>>> him."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely
>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>> that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his
>>>>>>>> grave, (not send him to hell). "
>>>>>>>> https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-grav
-gehenna-hades-h
>>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>> l/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus sheol is the grave
>>>>>>>> Thus hell is the grave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible
>>>>>>>> truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures
>>>>>>>> forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 4:8)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely James
>>>>>>>> Can your part
>>>>>>>> of the earth survive?
>>>>>>>> 9/18/23
>>>>>>>> Go to jw.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by
>>>>>>> Christianity
>>>>>>> and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative
>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For myself & my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every
>>>>>>> last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> not be enough to satisfy my anger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just
>>>>>>> but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is
>>>>>>> just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people
>>>>>>> into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal
>>>>>>> suffering?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a case to be made for "Scaring the hell out of them", ;)\
>>>>>
>>>>> It is far from necessary and not at all just. You can scare
>>>>> away those who have a sincere interest. There is NO justification
>>>>> for cruelty and wickedness and both are demonstrated in your hellish
>>>>> doctrine of hell.
>>>>
>>>> This is where the wisdom of God should rule and not the activist
>>>> mind of
>>>> some
>>>> religious persons carnal mind.
>>>
>>> Funny and clever! No..you had your say when your scribes created
>>> a hellish doctrine in an attempt to pass it off as directly from the
>>> mouth of God.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Had you read the scripture I provided you would see that and not
>>>> operate
>>>> from
>>>> fear, or being PC
>>>> Jud 1:21-23
>>>
>>> Fear? No..disdain and loathing.
>>
>> The Son of God taught it extensively as a warning,
>
> Or so claims a believer....however the scriptures were written by men
> and not dictated by God, so you have a problem at this point. You have
> ZERO EVIDENCE that anything was written by this GOD. NONE, ZILCH, NADA.
The evidence is the truth, it has always been the truth.
No, you (man) are not the truth. You have NONE, ZILCH, NADA proof of
otherwise.
There's some truth fer ya.
Thousands of years have revealed a reverence among billions of men for
the content of the scriptures, and along comes a newsgroup keyboard
know-it-all Don Juan. :-). You are shallower than a dried-up puddle,
Buddy Guy.
You are a typical modern product of exceptional interest in and
admiration for your opinion. My hope is that we can all admire you as
much as you admire yourself.
Michael Christ
>
>
>
> it was also taught in the
>> Old Testament,
>
> And we owe it all to a group of men that endorsed the doctrine of
> the divine right of kings.
>
>
>
>>
>> “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget
>> God.” (Psa 9:17)
>>
>> "Nations" mean "people" are you one of those?
>>
>
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
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