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   From: novalidemail@ymail.com   
      
   On 9/29/2023 1:35 PM, No one wrote:   
   > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > (in article ):   
   >   
   >> On 9/29/2023 10:34 AM, No one wrote:   
   >>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   >>> (in article ):   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 9/28/2023 7:57 PM, No one wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sep 28, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   >>>>> (in article ):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 9/28/2023 1:06 PM, No one wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2023, Rod wrote   
   >>>>>>> (in article ):   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Still believe in hellfire?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it   
   >>>>>>>>> as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So   
   >>>>>>>>> what is sheol?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place   
   >>>>>>>>> where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.   
   >>>>>>>>> Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob knew   
   >>>>>>>>> he   
   >>>>>>>>> would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard that   
   >>>>>>>>> his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Genesis 37:34-35   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and   
   mourned   
   >>>>>>>>> for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters arose   
   >>>>>>>>> to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said,   
   >>>>>>>>> “Surely I   
   >>>>>>>>> will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father wept   
   >>>>>>>>> for   
   >>>>>>>>> him."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely   
   saying   
   >>>>>>>>> that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his   
   >>>>>>>>> grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   >>>>>>>>> https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-gra   
   e-gehenna-hades   
   >>>>>>>>> -h   
   >>>>>>>>> el   
   >>>>>>>>> l/   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Thus sheol is the grave   
   >>>>>>>>> Thus hell is the grave.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible   
   >>>>>>>>> truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures   
   >>>>>>>>> forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1 John   
   >>>>>>>>> 4:8)   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Sincerely James   
   >>>>>>>>> Can your part   
   >>>>>>>>> of the earth survive?   
   >>>>>>>>> 9/18/23   
   >>>>>>>>> Go to jw.org   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by Christianity   
   >>>>>>>> and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative way.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every   
   >>>>>>>> last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that might   
   >>>>>>>> not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just   
   >>>>>>>> but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is   
   >>>>>>>> just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people   
   >>>>>>>> into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal   
   >>>>>>>> suffering?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There is a case to be made for "Scaring the hell out of them", ;)\   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It is far from necessary and not at all just. You can scare   
   >>>>>> away those who have a sincere interest. There is NO justification   
   >>>>>> for cruelty and wickedness and both are demonstrated in your hellish   
   >>>>>> doctrine of hell.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This is where the wisdom of God should rule and not the activist mind of   
   >>>>> some   
   >>>>> religious persons carnal mind.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Funny and clever! No..you had your say when your scribes created   
   >>>> a hellish doctrine in an attempt to pass it off as directly from the   
   >>>> mouth of God.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Had you read the scripture I provided you would see that and not operate   
   >>>>> from   
   >>>>> fear, or being PC   
   >>>>> Jud 1:21-23   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Fear? No..disdain and loathing.   
   >>>   
   >>> The Son of God taught it extensively as a warning,   
   >>   
   >> Or so claims a believer....however the scriptures were written by men   
   >> and not dictated by God, so you have a problem at this point. You have   
   >> ZERO EVIDENCE that anything was written by this GOD. NONE, ZILCH, NADA.   
   >   
   > They were inspired by God.   
      
       So what kind of evidence do you have to back this up? Are there any   
   witnesses to this act, pictures of God speaking with these people?   
      
   Go ahead find some evidence. I'll wait...not too long though   
   as this whole thing looks hopeless.   
      
      
   Big difference. Where is the history of man before   
   > the time of Noah?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> it was also taught in theOld Testament,   
   >>   
   >> And we owe it all to a group of men that endorsed the doctrine of   
   >> the divine right of kings.   
   >   
   > You might, I don't.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget   
   >>> God.” (Psa 9:17)   
   >>>   
   >>> "Nations" mean "people" are you one of those?   
   >   
   >   
      
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