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   On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   > On 9/29/2023 1:35 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > (in article ):   
   > >   
   > > > On 9/29/2023 10:34 AM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On 9/28/2023 7:57 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On 9/28/2023 1:06 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2023, Rod wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > Still believe in hellfire?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just   
   leave it   
   > > > > > > > > > > as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to   
   sheol. So   
   > > > > > > > > > > what is sheol?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not   
   the place   
   > > > > > > > > > > where evil people go. It’is just the place where   
   everyone goes.   
   > > > > > > > > > > Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch   
   Jacob   
   > > > > > > > > > > knew   
   > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he   
   heard   
   > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Genesis 37:34-35   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins   
   and   
   > > > > > > > > > > mourned   
   > > > > > > > > > > for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his   
   daughters arose   
   > > > > > > > > > > to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he   
   said,   
   > > > > > > > > > > “Surely I   
   > > > > > > > > > > will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his   
   father wept   
   > > > > > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > > > > > him."   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was   
   merely   
   > > > > > > > > > > saying   
   > > > > > > > > > > that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him   
   in his   
   > > > > > > > > > > grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   > > > > > > > > > > https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/she   
   l-the-grave-gehenna-had   
   > > > > > > > > > > es   
   > > > > > > > > > > -h   
   > > > > > > > > > > el   
   > > > > > > > > > > l/   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Thus sheol is the grave   
   > > > > > > > > > > Thus hell is the grave.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept   
   the Bible   
   > > > > > > > > > > truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that   
   tortures   
   > > > > > > > > > > forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of   
   love. (1   
   > > > > > > > > > > John   
   > > > > > > > > > > 4:8)   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > > > > > > > > Can your part   
   > > > > > > > > > > of the earth survive?   
   > > > > > > > > > > 9/18/23   
   > > > > > > > > > > Go to jw.org   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by   
   Christianity   
   > > > > > > > > > and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very   
   negative way.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off   
   of every   
   > > > > > > > > > last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then   
   that might   
   > > > > > > > > > not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity   
   isn't just   
   > > > > > > > > > but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that   
   it is   
   > > > > > > > > > just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > So question for them; Why would you assume that you can   
   scare people   
   > > > > > > > > > into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to   
   eternal   
   > > > > > > > > > suffering?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > There is a case to be made for "Scaring the hell out of them",   
   )\   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > It is far from necessary and not at all just. You can scare   
   > > > > > > > away those who have a sincere interest. There is NO justification   
   > > > > > > > for cruelty and wickedness and both are demonstrated in your   
   hellish   
   > > > > > > > doctrine of hell.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > This is where the wisdom of God should rule and not the activist   
   mind of   
   > > > > > > some   
   > > > > > > religious persons carnal mind.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Funny and clever! No..you had your say when your scribes created   
   > > > > > a hellish doctrine in an attempt to pass it off as directly from the   
   > > > > > mouth of God.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Had you read the scripture I provided you would see that and not   
   operate   
   > > > > > > from   
   > > > > > > fear, or being PC   
   > > > > > > Jud 1:21-23   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Fear? No..disdain and loathing.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The Son of God taught it extensively as a warning,   
   > > >   
   > > > Or so claims a believer....however the scriptures were written by men   
   > > > and not dictated by God, so you have a problem at this point. You have   
   > > > ZERO EVIDENCE that anything was written by this GOD. NONE, ZILCH, NADA.   
   > >   
   > > They were inspired by God.   
   >   
   > So what kind of evidence do you have to back this up? Are there any   
   > witnesses to this act, pictures of God speaking with these people?   
   >   
   > Go ahead find some evidence. I'll wait...not too long though   
   > as this whole thing looks hopeless.   
   >   
   > Big difference. Where is the history of man before   
      
   Unbeknownst to you God spoke to many people over the eons. His words are   
   written in the scriptures. Much of those words are prophetic and prophesies   
   given over the same span of time, and God continues to give prophetic   
   statements.   
      
   Just in the life and birth of Jesus up to the cross and the raising from the   
   dead, as well as a new covenant arising from that, there are well over 300+   
   prophesies given my various prophets, which happened exactly as stated. The   
   odds of that are well over multiple gazillion times greater than the theory   
   of evolution ever happening.   
      
   That you are unaware of that, yet speak as if you are the smartest kid on the   
   block attests only to your chosen ignorance.   
      
   >   
   > > the time of Noah?   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > > it was also taught in theOld Testament,   
   > > >   
   > > > And we owe it all to a group of men that endorsed the doctrine of   
   > > > the divine right of kings.   
   > >   
   > > You might, I don't.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
      
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