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   From: dx7066801@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/29/2023 5:44 PM, No one wrote:   
   > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
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   >> On 9/29/2023 1:35 PM, No one wrote:   
   >>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   >>> (in article ):   
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   >>>> On 9/29/2023 10:34 AM, No one wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   >>>>> (in article ):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 9/28/2023 7:57 PM, No one wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   >>>>>>> (in article ):   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 9/28/2023 1:06 PM, No one wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2023, Rod wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> (in article ):   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Still believe in hellfire?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it   
   >>>>>>>>>>> as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So   
   >>>>>>>>>>> what is sheol?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place   
   >>>>>>>>>>> where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob   
   >>>>>>>>>>> knew   
   >>>>>>>>>>> he   
   >>>>>>>>>>> would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>> his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Genesis 37:34-35   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> mourned   
   >>>>>>>>>>> for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters   
   arose   
   >>>>>>>>>>> to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> “Surely I   
   >>>>>>>>>>> will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father wept   
   >>>>>>>>>>> for   
   >>>>>>>>>>> him."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely   
   >>>>>>>>>>> saying   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his   
   >>>>>>>>>>> grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   >>>>>>>>>>> https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-g   
   ave-gehenna-had   
   >>>>>>>>>>> es   
   >>>>>>>>>>> -h   
   >>>>>>>>>>> el   
   >>>>>>>>>>> l/   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Thus sheol is the grave   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Thus hell is the grave.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible   
   >>>>>>>>>>> truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures   
   >>>>>>>>>>> forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1   
   >>>>>>>>>>> John   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 4:8)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely James   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Can your part   
   >>>>>>>>>>> of the earth survive?   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 9/18/23   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Go to jw.org   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by   
   Christianity   
   >>>>>>>>>> and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative   
   way.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every   
   >>>>>>>>>> last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that   
   might   
   >>>>>>>>>> not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just   
   >>>>>>>>>> but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is   
   >>>>>>>>>> just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people   
   >>>>>>>>>> into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal   
   >>>>>>>>>> suffering?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> There is a case to be made for "Scaring the hell out of them", ;)\   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It is far from necessary and not at all just. You can scare   
   >>>>>>>> away those who have a sincere interest. There is NO justification   
   >>>>>>>> for cruelty and wickedness and both are demonstrated in your hellish   
   >>>>>>>> doctrine of hell.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> This is where the wisdom of God should rule and not the activist mind   
   of   
   >>>>>>> some   
   >>>>>>> religious persons carnal mind.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Funny and clever! No..you had your say when your scribes created   
   >>>>>> a hellish doctrine in an attempt to pass it off as directly from the   
   >>>>>> mouth of God.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Had you read the scripture I provided you would see that and not   
   operate   
   >>>>>>> from   
   >>>>>>> fear, or being PC   
   >>>>>>> Jud 1:21-23   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Fear? No..disdain and loathing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The Son of God taught it extensively as a warning,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Or so claims a believer....however the scriptures were written by men   
   >>>> and not dictated by God, so you have a problem at this point. You have   
   >>>> ZERO EVIDENCE that anything was written by this GOD. NONE, ZILCH, NADA.   
   >>>   
   >>> They were inspired by God.   
   >>   
   >> So what kind of evidence do you have to back this up? Are there any   
   >> witnesses to this act, pictures of God speaking with these people?   
   >>   
   >> Go ahead find some evidence. I'll wait...not too long though   
   >> as this whole thing looks hopeless.   
   >>   
   >> Big difference. Where is the history of man before   
   >   
   > Unbeknownst to you God spoke to many people over the eons. His words are   
   > written in the scriptures. Much of those words are prophetic and prophesies   
   > given over the same span of time, and God continues to give prophetic   
   > statements.   
   >   
   > Just in the life and birth of Jesus up to the cross and the raising from the   
   > dead, as well as a new covenant arising from that, there are well over 300+   
   > prophesies given my various prophets, which happened exactly as stated. The   
   > odds of that are well over multiple gazillion times greater than the theory   
   > of evolution ever happening.   
   >   
   > That you are unaware of that, yet speak as if you are the smartest kid on the   
   > block attests only to your chosen ignorance.   
      
       I'm going to stop now...I've had my fun. I enjoy playing the atheist   
       but I'm not. I'm waiting to see what develops in the time we have   
       left. Now I have to go and repent for messing with you.   
      
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>> the time of Noah?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> it was also taught in theOld Testament,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And we owe it all to a group of men that endorsed the doctrine of   
   >>>> the divine right of kings.   
   >>>   
   >>> You might, I don't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget   
   >>>>> God.” (Psa 9:17)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Nations" mean "people" are you one of those?   
   >   
   >   
      
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