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   On Sep 29, 2023, Rod wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   > On 9/29/2023 5:44 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > (in article ):   
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   > > > On 9/29/2023 1:35 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > > > (in article ):   
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   > > > > > On 9/29/2023 10:34 AM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article ):   
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   > > > > > > > On 9/28/2023 7:57 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/2023 1:06 PM, No one wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2023, Rod wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > (in article ):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Still believe in hellfire?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or   
   just leave   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > it   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going   
   to sheol. So   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > what is sheol?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is   
   not the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > place   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > where evil people go. It’is just the place where   
   everyone goes.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the   
   patriarch Jacob   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > knew   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > would go there, eventually. Here was his response   
   after he heard   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Genesis 37:34-35   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his   
   loins and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > mourned   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his   
   daughters   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > arose   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he   
   said,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > “Surely I   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So   
   his father   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > wept   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > him."   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it   
   was merely   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > saying   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put   
   him in his   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27   
   sheol-the-grave-gehenna-h   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > ad   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > es   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > -h   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > el   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > l/   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus sheol is the grave   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus hell is the grave.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > You have been lied to by the churches long enough.   
   Accept the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Bible   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist   
   that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > tortures   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > forever His disobedient children. He really is a God   
   of love. (1   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > John   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:8)   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Can your part   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > of the earth survive?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > 9/18/23   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to jw.org   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity   
   > > > > > > > > > > > and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very   
   negative   
   > > > > > > > > > > > way.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed   
   off of   
   > > > > > > > > > > > every   
   > > > > > > > > > > > last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even   
   then that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > might   
   > > > > > > > > > > > not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity   
   isn't just   
   > > > > > > > > > > > but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence   
   that it is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own   
   hearts.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > So question for them; Why would you assume that you can   
   scare   
   > > > > > > > > > > > people   
   > > > > > > > > > > > into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone   
   to eternal   
   > > > > > > > > > > > suffering?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > There is a case to be made for "Scaring the hell out of   
   them", ;)\   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > It is far from necessary and not at all just. You can scare   
   > > > > > > > > > away those who have a sincere interest. There is NO   
   justification   
   > > > > > > > > > for cruelty and wickedness and both are demonstrated in your   
   hellish   
   > > > > > > > > > doctrine of hell.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > This is where the wisdom of God should rule and not the   
   activist mind   
   > > > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > > > > some   
   > > > > > > > > religious persons carnal mind.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Funny and clever! No..you had your say when your scribes created   
   > > > > > > > a hellish doctrine in an attempt to pass it off as directly from   
   the   
   > > > > > > > mouth of God.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Had you read the scripture I provided you would see that and   
   not   
   > > > > > > > > operate   
   > > > > > > > > from   
   > > > > > > > > fear, or being PC   
   > > > > > > > > Jud 1:21-23   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Fear? No..disdain and loathing.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > The Son of God taught it extensively as a warning,   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Or so claims a believer....however the scriptures were written by men   
   > > > > > and not dictated by God, so you have a problem at this point. You   
   have   
   > > > > > ZERO EVIDENCE that anything was written by this GOD. NONE, ZILCH,   
   NADA.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > They were inspired by God.   
   > > >   
   > > > So what kind of evidence do you have to back this up? Are there any   
   > > > witnesses to this act, pictures of God speaking with these people?   
   > > >   
   > > > Go ahead find some evidence. I'll wait...not too long though   
   > > > as this whole thing looks hopeless.   
   > > >   
   > > > Big difference. Where is the history of man before   
   > >   
      
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