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   From: novalidemail@ymail.com   
      
   On 10/1/2023 5:44 AM, James wrote:   
   > On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 10:17:59 -0500, Just a guy   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 9/29/2023 7:32 PM, James wrote:   
   >>> Is the Kingdom within you?   
   >>>   
   >>> According to the popular King James Bible; yes. As well as many other   
   >>> translations:   
   >>>   
   >>> -- King James   
   >>> Luke 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,   
   >>> behold, the kingdom of God is within you.   
   >>>   
   >>> First, what is God's kingdom? Notice Dan 2:44:   
   >>>   
   >>> -- Revised Standard   
   >>> Daniel 2:44  And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set   
   >>> up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty   
   >>> be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms   
   >>> and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;   
   >>>   
   >>> Notice how the Bible is defining a "kingdom"; It is a nation's   
   >>> government.Thus God's Kingdom is God's government, which will soon   
   >>> take over all the governments of the world.   
   >>>   
   >>> So back to the question. Is God's kingdom "within you"?   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course not. God's Kingdom consists of Jehovah as its head, Jesus as   
   >>> its king, all of God's righteous angels, and some humans from the   
   >>> earth. (Rev 14:1; 7:4) All of that cannot be inside a person.   
   >>>   
   >>> And there is more proof. Notice who Jesus was talking to at Luke 17:21   
   >>> and who is the "you" in that verse? See the verse directly before it:   
   >>>   
   >>> -- King James   
   >>> Luke 17:20  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the   
   >>> kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of   
   >>> God cometh not with observation:   
   >>   
   >>    I disagree.   
   >>   
   >>    Luke 17:20  And being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God   
   >> should come, he answering them and said: The kingdom of God cometh not   
   >> with observation.   
   >>   
   >> Luke 17:21  Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For   
   >> *lo, the kingdom of God is within you*   
   >   
   > Then the Kingdom of God is within the Pharisees? That's news to Jesus.   
      
      The Pharisee did not believe Jesus was the Son of God. That makes all   
   the difference.   
      
      
   >   
   > -- King James   
   > Matthew 3:7  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come   
   > to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath   
   > warned you to flee from the wrath to come?   
   >   
   > And if you believe the "you" is "you", then you would have God's whole   
   > government inside of you. That's God, Jesus, all the righteous angels,   
   > and a group of righteous humans.   
   >   
   >   Even the KJV marginal reading admits a possible translation of, "The   
   > kingdom of God is among you". Some other Bibles agree and thus read:   
   >   
   > "nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the   
   > kingdom of God is in the midst of you."  (RSV)   
   >   
   >   the Greek word used there, can have two meanings: "within" or   
   > "among". For instance, the Bible scholar, Vine, shows more than one   
   > definition of "entos". In Vines Hebrew Dictionary it says:   
   >   
   > "entos   
   > Text:  an adverb denoting "within," or "among,"..."   
   >   
   > Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible also agrees: "within" or   
   > "among".   
   >   
   > Thus the rendering of "entos" can be either "within" or "among". In   
   > other words, the Greek word is just not limited to the word "within",   
   > or similar expressions.   
   >   
   > But the strongest argument against "within" as the real thought here,   
   > is the context itself. Again notice who Jesus was talking to in Lu   
   > 17:21. Vs 20 says it was the Pharisees. They were about the last   
   > persons on earth that Jesus would say had 'the kingdom of God'   
   > residing in them. Rather, Jesus called them hypocrites, blind guides,   
   > serpents, offspring of vipers, and said that they prevented the   
   > Kingdom of the Heavens from reaching men. (Mt 23:13,16,33) Not a very   
   > fine testimony, was it.   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   > In God's Kingdom   
   > all needs are met   
   > 10/1/23   
   > Go to jw.org   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees. The ones he called "offspring   
   >>> of vipers". (Mt 3:7)   
   >>>   
   >>> So even if the Kingdom could be inside a person, they are the last   
   >>> persons who would have it.   
   >>   
   >>     I disagree with this as well. Why? You must search your own heart   
   >>     for this answer. Does Christ live in you? Does the love for all men   
   >>     live in you for the good of all living?   
   >>   
   >>     If you have examined your own heart and found love living there then   
   >>     indeed, God lives within you.   
   >>   
      
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