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   On Oct 2, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   > On 10/2/2023 10:15 AM, James wrote:   
   > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:34:46 +1000, Michael Christ   
   > >   wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > On 28/09/2023 11:39 pm, Rod wrote:   
   > > > > On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   > > > > > Still believe in hellfire?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it   
   > > > > > as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So   
   > > > > > what is sheol?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place   
   > > > > > where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.   
   > > > > > Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob   
   knew he   
   > > > > > would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard that   
   > > > > > his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Genesis 37:34-35   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and   
   mourned   
   > > > > > for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters arose   
   > > > > > to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said,   
   “Surely I   
   > > > > > will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father wept   
   for   
   > > > > > him."   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely   
   saying   
   > > > > > that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his   
   > > > > > grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   > > > > > https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-gra   
   e-gehenna-hades-he   
   > > > > > ll/   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Thus sheol is the grave   
   > > > > > Thus hell is the grave.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible   
   > > > > > truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures   
   > > > > > forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1 John   
   > > > > > 4:8)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > > > Can your part   
   > > > > > of the earth survive?   
   > > > > > 9/18/23   
   > > > > > Go to jw.org   
   > > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by Christianity   
   > > > > and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative way.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every   
   > > > > last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that might   
   > > > > not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just   
   > > > > but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is   
   > > > > just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   > > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people   
   > > > > into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal   
   > > > > suffering?   
   > > >   
   > > > Not a question for me, however, some things to consider.   
   > > >   
   > > > 1) Always remember that God is God, and whatever He does will always be   
   > > > good. You may not realise that at the time, but nevertheless. We have   
   > > > been given life in the first place and the world around us testifies to   
   > > > that, so enough said.   
   > >   
   > > Not really. God gave us morals.Burning alive living beings is   
   > > repugnant to reasonable people. Yet they accuse our Creator of doing   
   > > just that. Satan must get a big laugh out of that of those who he has   
   > > tricked into believing it.   
   >   
   > I agree, but research into the very beginning of Christianity has   
   > shown me that Valentinus and his adherents were the ones responsible   
   > for the doctrine of hell being included in the 1 st century scriptures   
   > and the dead sea scrolls. Valentinus was educated in Egypt as a   
   > worshiper of ATUN, the One God, and this is where the doctrine   
   > originated from. He was a student of Paul and later became a catholic   
   > which helps to explain how the doctrine of eternal punishment came to be   
   > written as scripture.   
   >   
   > The gnostic sects did not split from the early church until they were   
   > driven out in the 2nd century for heresies.   
      
   Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest   
   hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the   
   foundations of the mountains.   
      
   No one I know of disregards the ball of fire in the center of the earth, not   
   volcano's   
      
   Mat 5:22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without   
   a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his   
   brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say,   
   Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.   
      
   Hellfire is speaking of   
      
   geenna Thayer Definition:   
      
   1) Hell is the place of the future punishment call “Gehenna” or   
   “Gehenna of fire”. This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of   
   Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and   
   burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.   
      
   Fire is Fire.   
      
   Both separate words in Greek.   
      
   Not one word of "Hellfire"   
      
   The Gehenna of fire (γεενναν του πυρος), a Hebrew word   
   denoting the Valley of Hinnom (Jos 15:8 note), a place S.E. of Jerusalem (Jos   
   18:16), where formerly children had been sacrificed to Moloch, and afterwards   
   the carcasses of animals and dead bodies of malefactors were burnt in a fire   
   constantly kept up; a part of which was called Tophet, which in Hebrew is A   
   fire-stove:   
      
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   > >   
   > > True lovers of God know that He is superlative goodness, and would   
   > > never even conceve such a thing:   
   > >   
   > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > Jeremiah 7:31 And they have built the high place of Topheth, which is   
   > > in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their   
   > > daughters in the fire; which I did not command, nor did it come into   
   > > my mind.   
   > >   
   > > Sincerely James   
   > > In God's Kingdom   
   > > all needs are met   
   > > 10/1/23   
   > > Go to jw.org   
   > > >   
   > > > 2) The Lord Jesus died for the sins of all mankind. So, no-one is left   
   out.   
   > > >   
   > > > 3) The only question that remains is what part of the new kingdom to   
   > > > come will a person be a part of? Being married to God, or being outside   
   > > > the holy of holies.   
   > > >   
   > > > 4) In this life we get to choose.   
   > > >   
   > > > 5) Do worry about infant deaths, early deaths, and a myriad of other   
   > > > details, God has all that in hand; He's God.   
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   > > > Michael Christ   
      
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