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From: novalidemail@ymail.com
On 10/2/2023 10:15 AM, James wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:34:46 +1000, Michael Christ
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/09/2023 11:39 pm, Rod wrote:
>>> On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:
>>>> Still believe in hellfire?
>>>>
>>>> Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it
>>>> as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So
>>>> what is sheol?
>>>>
>>>> "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place
>>>> where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.
>>>> Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob knew he
>>>> would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard that
>>>> his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):
>>>>
>>>> Genesis 37:34-35
>>>>
>>>> "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and mourned
>>>> for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters arose
>>>> to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said, “Surely I
>>>> will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father wept for
>>>> him."
>>>>
>>>> For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely saying
>>>> that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his
>>>> grave, (not send him to hell). "
>>>> https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-grave-ge
enna-hades-hell/
>>>>
>>>> Thus sheol is the grave
>>>> Thus hell is the grave.
>>>>
>>>> You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible
>>>> truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures
>>>> forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1 John
>>>> 4:8)
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely James
>>>> Can your part
>>>> of the earth survive?
>>>> 9/18/23
>>>> Go to jw.org
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by Christianity
>>> and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative way.
>>>
>>> For myself & my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every
>>> last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that might
>>> not be enough to satisfy my anger.
>>>
>>> I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just
>>> but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is
>>> just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.
>>>
>>>
>>> So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people
>>> into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal
>>> suffering?
>>
>> Not a question for me, however, some things to consider.
>>
>> 1) Always remember that God is God, and whatever He does will always be
>> good. You may not realise that at the time, but nevertheless. We have
>> been given life in the first place and the world around us testifies to
>> that, so enough said.
>
> Not really. God gave us morals.Burning alive living beings is
> repugnant to reasonable people. Yet they accuse our Creator of doing
> just that. Satan must get a big laugh out of that of those who he has
> tricked into believing it.
I agree, but research into the very beginning of Christianity has
shown me that Valentinus and his adherents were the ones responsible
for the doctrine of hell being included in the 1 st century scriptures
and the dead sea scrolls. Valentinus was educated in Egypt as a
worshiper of ATUN, the One God, and this is where the doctrine
originated from. He was a student of Paul and later became a catholic
which helps to explain how the doctrine of eternal punishment came to be
written as scripture.
The gnostic sects did not split from the early church until they were
driven out in the 2nd century for heresies.
>
> True lovers of God know that He is superlative goodness, and would
> never even conceve such a thing:
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Jeremiah 7:31 And they have built the high place of Topheth, which is
> in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their
> daughters in the fire; which I did not command, nor did it come into
> my mind.
>
> Sincerely James
> In God's Kingdom
> all needs are met
> 10/1/23
> Go to jw.org
>>
>> 2) The Lord Jesus died for the sins of all mankind. So, no-one is left out.
>>
>> 3) The only question that remains is what part of the new kingdom to
>> come will a person be a part of? Being married to God, or being outside
>> the holy of holies.
>>
>> 4) In this life we get to choose.
>>
>> 5) Do worry about infant deaths, early deaths, and a myriad of other
>> details, God has all that in hand; He's God.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
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