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   From: dx7066801@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/2/2023 9:18 PM, No one wrote:   
   > On Oct 2, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > (in article ):   
   >   
   >> On 10/2/2023 10:15 AM, James wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:34:46 +1000, Michael Christ   
   >>>   wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 28/09/2023 11:39 pm, Rod wrote:   
   >>>>> On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:   
   >>>>>> Still believe in hellfire?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it   
   >>>>>> as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So   
   >>>>>> what is sheol?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the place   
   >>>>>> where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.   
   >>>>>> Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob knew he   
   >>>>>> would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard that   
   >>>>>> his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Genesis 37:34-35   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and mourned   
   >>>>>> for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters arose   
   >>>>>> to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said, “Surely I   
   >>>>>> will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father wept for   
   >>>>>> him."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely saying   
   >>>>>> that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his   
   >>>>>> grave, (not send him to hell). "   
   >>>>>> https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the-grave-   
   ehenna-hades-he   
   >>>>>> ll/   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Thus sheol is the grave   
   >>>>>> Thus hell is the grave.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the Bible   
   >>>>>> truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that tortures   
   >>>>>> forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1 John   
   >>>>>> 4:8)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Sincerely James   
   >>>>>> Can your part   
   >>>>>> of the earth survive?   
   >>>>>> 9/18/23   
   >>>>>> Go to jw.org   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by Christianity   
   >>>>> and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative way.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> For myself &  my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of every   
   >>>>> last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that might   
   >>>>> not be enough to satisfy my anger.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just   
   >>>>> but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is   
   >>>>> just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare people   
   >>>>> into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal   
   >>>>> suffering?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not a question for me, however, some things to consider.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1) Always remember that God is God, and whatever He does will always be   
   >>>> good. You may not realise that at the time, but nevertheless. We have   
   >>>> been given life in the first place and the world around us testifies to   
   >>>> that, so enough said.   
   >>>   
   >>> Not really. God gave us morals.Burning alive living beings is   
   >>> repugnant to reasonable people. Yet they accuse our Creator of doing   
   >>> just that. Satan must get a big laugh out of that of those who he has   
   >>> tricked into believing it.   
   >>   
   >> I agree, but research into the very beginning of Christianity has   
   >> shown me that Valentinus and his adherents were the ones responsible   
   >> for the doctrine of hell being included in the 1 st century scriptures   
   >> and the dead sea scrolls. Valentinus was educated in Egypt as a   
   >> worshiper of ATUN, the One God, and this is where the doctrine   
   >> originated from. He was a student of Paul and later became a catholic   
   >> which helps to explain how the doctrine of eternal punishment came to be   
   >> written as scripture.   
   >>   
   >> The gnostic sects did not split from the early church until they were   
   >> driven out in the 2nd century for heresies.   
   >   
   > Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest   
   > hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the   
   > foundations of the mountains.   
      
       I don't believe it is meant in a literal sense, Robert. God by His   
   nature is very kind and loving, so even when angry I do not think that   
   he would throw anyone into a fire while still alive.   
      
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