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From: none@none.con
On Oct 3, 2023, Rod wrote
(in article ):
> On 10/2/2023 9:18 PM, No one wrote:
> > On Oct 2, 2023, Just a guy wrote
> > (in article ):
> >
> > > On 10/2/2023 10:15 AM, James wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:34:46 +1000, Michael Christ
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 28/09/2023 11:39 pm, Rod wrote:
> > > > > > On 9/18/2023 3:13 PM, James wrote:
> > > > > > > Still believe in hellfire?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave
it
> > > > > > > as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol.
So
> > > > > > > what is sheol?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "What the Tanakh does make it clear, is that Sheol is not the
place
> > > > > > > where evil people go. It’is just the place where everyone goes.
> > > > > > > Everyone dies and goes down to Sheol… even the patriarch Jacob
knew
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > would go there, eventually. Here was his response after he heard
that
> > > > > > > his son Joseph had died (although really, he had not):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Genesis 37:34-35
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "So Jacob tore his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins and
mourned
> > > > > > > for his son many days. Then all his sons and all his daughters
arose
> > > > > > > to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. And he said,
“Surely
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.” So his father
wept for
> > > > > > > him."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For Jacob this was not a heaven or hell debate… it was merely
saying
> > > > > > > that the loss of his son would kill him; it would put him in his
> > > > > > > grave, (not send him to hell). "
> > > > > > > https://hebrewwordlessons.com/2019/10/27/sheol-the
grave-gehenna-hades-
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > ll/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thus sheol is the grave
> > > > > > > Thus hell is the grave.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You have been lied to by the churches long enough. Accept the
Bible
> > > > > > > truth that hell is the GRAVE.Your God is not a sadist that
tortures
> > > > > > > forever His disobedient children. He really is a God of love. (1
John
> > > > > > > 4:8)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely James
> > > > > > > Can your part
> > > > > > > of the earth survive?
> > > > > > > 9/18/23
> > > > > > > Go to jw.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree with you James. Hell is a heinous lie created by
Christianity
> > > > > > and has effected nearly every person on earth in a very negative
way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For myself & my family I'd like to see the skin flayed off of
every
> > > > > > last christian that has perpetrated this lie and even then that
might
> > > > > > not be enough to satisfy my anger.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said before that burning someone in hell for eternity isn't just
> > > > > > but the unjust insist that it is just. Their insistence that it is
> > > > > > just reveals the wickedness hiding deep in their own hearts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So question for them; Why would you assume that you can scare
people
> > > > > > into the worship of a God wicked enough to send someone to eternal
> > > > > > suffering?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not a question for me, however, some things to consider.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Always remember that God is God, and whatever He does will always
be
> > > > > good. You may not realise that at the time, but nevertheless. We have
> > > > > been given life in the first place and the world around us testifies
to
> > > > > that, so enough said.
> > > >
> > > > Not really. God gave us morals.Burning alive living beings is
> > > > repugnant to reasonable people. Yet they accuse our Creator of doing
> > > > just that. Satan must get a big laugh out of that of those who he has
> > > > tricked into believing it.
> > >
> > > I agree, but research into the very beginning of Christianity has
> > > shown me that Valentinus and his adherents were the ones responsible
> > > for the doctrine of hell being included in the 1 st century scriptures
> > > and the dead sea scrolls. Valentinus was educated in Egypt as a
> > > worshiper of ATUN, the One God, and this is where the doctrine
> > > originated from. He was a student of Paul and later became a catholic
> > > which helps to explain how the doctrine of eternal punishment came to be
> > > written as scripture.
> > >
> > > The gnostic sects did not split from the early church until they were
> > > driven out in the 2nd century for heresies.
> >
> > Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the
> > lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on
fire the
> > foundations of the mountains.
>
> I don't believe it is meant in a literal sense, Robert. God by His
> nature is very kind and loving, so even when angry I do not think that
> he would throw anyone into a fire while still alive.
He is a God of Justice. People who have died from the beginning, without God,
have been placed in the lower regions of the earth, the pit, and those with
the lesser sins were further away from the lowest regions, and the lower one
goes the greater the heat and the punishment. Yet it is not the final prison
it is only the holding prison.
God also rewards those whose names are written in the book of Life, according
to their deeds. There is no sin there, nor any of its byproducts, in hell
there is no love of God nor any of its byproducts.
I do not believe that God takes any pleasure in putting people in hell, but
he hates evil.
If you read revelations for the period at the end of the Tribulation, the
Antichrist and false prophets along with all those who took the number of the
beast will be tossed alive, meaning from this life of reality into the Lake
of Fire and Brimstone. They were all warned ahead of time what would happen,
but their hatred for the Believers in Jesus was so great that they sought to
kill any they could find.
No one can condone those actions, they also killed the two Prophets of God
and put cameras on them laying dead on the streets of Jerusalem for three
days and nights. While the world celebrated their demise. Then knew full well
the promise that they would rise from the dead, as did Jesus, but they
partied and mocked them, celebrating all the while, but when they rise up and
the whole world sees it, you can imagine their Horror especially for those
who put their faith in the antichrist.
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