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From: novalidemail@ymail.com
On 10/6/2023 12:40 PM, No one wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2023, Just a guy wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> On 9/29/2023 11:05 PM, No one wrote:
>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Rod wrote
>>> (in article ):
>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2023 6:04 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 1:32 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 11:06 AM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, James wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article<5ojdhi1ub9s7gq0d84sib88ri17jdudpsg@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT), "resl...@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am reproducing this from what I have presented on the website:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) The Bible hell (sheol/hades) is described as being the realm of
>>>>>>>>>>> death,
>>>>>>>>>>> that is, the realm of the condition of being dead; it is described
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> condition in which there is no work, no device, no knowledge, nor
>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom.
>>>>>>>>>>> (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 -- many translations render "sheol" as "the
>>>>>>>>>>> grave"
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> verse 9).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) The only Old Testament word translated hell in the King James
>>>>>>>>>>> Version
>>>>>>>>>>> is the Hebrew word transliterated as sheol, to which the New
>>>>>>>>>>> Testament
>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated as hades corresponds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) In the King James translation of the Bible, sheol and hades are
>>>>>>>>>>> translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times and
>>>>>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>>>>> when translated hell, the margin reads, "or, the grave," or vice
>>>>>>>>>>> versa.
>>>>>>>>>>> (Psalm 49:15; 55:15; 86:13; Isaiah 14:9; Jonah 2:2; 1 Corinthians
>>>>>>>>>>> 15:55;
>>>>>>>>>>> Revelation 20:13) Many translations transliterate the words sheol
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> hades. A close examination of all the instances sheol and hedes in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bible shows that the usage of these words are always in agreement
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> is stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, except for one instance (Luke
>>>>>>>>>>> 16:23)
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> which Jesus makes use of the Hellenistic adaptation of hades to
>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> parabolic parody depicting how the Law and the Prophets were until
>>>>>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Luke 16:16.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Some translations render forms of the Greek word often
>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated
>>>>>>>>>>> as Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom) as "hell" or "hellfire", but this
does
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> mean the same as sheol/hades.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (5) Some translations also render the verb often transliterated as
>>>>>>>>>>> "tataroo" as "cast down to hell", but the word does not mean this
at
>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See our study: Tartaroo Vs. Tartarus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (6) Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. (John 8:44) Satan
>>>>>>>>>>> promised
>>>>>>>>>>> Eve that her disobedience to God would not result in death; that
is,
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> she would not die. He has been using the promise to deceive people
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>> the world ever since. (Genesis 3:1-4; Revelation 12:9) It is Satan
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> the world believing that a person does not really die, therefore he
>>>>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the world that those who are bad are roasting somewhere for all
>>>>>>>>>>> eternity,
>>>>>>>>>>> thus making God appear to be some kind of fiend. With such a view
>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>> broadly presented by a large portion of professed Christians, no
>>>>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>>>> thousands are turning away from the Bible and going to
neo-paganism,
>>>>>>>>>>> heathen religions and philosophies, agnosticism and atheism. The
>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine
>>>>>>>>>>> of eternal roasting is a blasphemy to the Creator. Indeed, those
who
>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>> to be friends of the Bible are often its worst enemies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (7) Satan uses all kinds of deceptive means to continue his lies,
>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>> spiritism, hypnotism, near-death experiences, out-of-body
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> "And when they say to you, 'Seek those who are mediums and wizards,
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> whisper and mutter,' should not a people seek their God? Should
they
>>>>>>>>>>> seek
>>>>>>>>>>> the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony!
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no
light
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> them." -- Isaiah 8:19,20, New King James Version.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (8) Many claim that hell is made up of various sections, and that
>>>>>>>>>>> originally paradise was a part of hell, and that another part of
>>>>>>>>>>> hell
>>>>>>>>>>> consisted of eternal torture. Contrary to the idea that any part of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bible hell is a place of fire, torture, shrieks, etc., the Bible
>>>>>>>>>>> says:
>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol,
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> you are going." - "in death there is no memory of you. In Sheol,
who
>>>>>>>>>>> shall
>>>>>>>>>>> give you thanks?" - "For Sheol can't praise you, death can't
>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate
>>>>>>>>>>> you." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (9) Nevertheless, good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bible
>>>>>>>>>>> hell)
>>>>>>>>>>> at death: e.g., Jacob went down to sheol (Genesis 37:35); Job
prayed
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>> to sheol, to be hidden there, until the resurrection (Job 14:13).
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor
>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>> the Bible even once depict the good as going to an alleged section
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> sheol
>>>>>>>>>>> called "paradise" at death, as is claimed by many. In the Bible,
>>>>>>>>>>> paradise
>>>>>>>>>>> is never depicted as a section of sheol or hades. Such a thought
has
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
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