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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 7/10/2023 7:27 am, Just a guy wrote:
> On 10/6/2023 12:40 PM, No one wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>> (in article ):
>>
>>> On 9/29/2023 11:05 PM, No one wrote:
>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Rod wrote
>>>> (in article ):
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/2023 6:04 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 1:32 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 11:06 AM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, James wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article<5ojdhi1ub9s7gq0d84sib88ri17jdudpsg@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT), "resl...@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am reproducing this from what I have presented on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) The Bible hell (sheol/hades) is described as being the
>>>>>>>>>>>> realm of
>>>>>>>>>>>> death,
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is, the realm of the condition of being dead; it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> condition in which there is no work, no device, no
>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, nor
>>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom.
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 -- many translations render "sheol" as
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the
>>>>>>>>>>>> grave"
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> verse 9).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) The only Old Testament word translated hell in the King
>>>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>>> Version
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the Hebrew word transliterated as sheol, to which the New
>>>>>>>>>>>> Testament
>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated as hades corresponds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (3) In the King James translation of the Bible, sheol and
>>>>>>>>>>>> hades are
>>>>>>>>>>>> translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times and
>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>> when translated hell, the margin reads, "or, the grave," or
>>>>>>>>>>>> vice
>>>>>>>>>>>> versa.
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Psalm 49:15; 55:15; 86:13; Isaiah 14:9; Jonah 2:2; 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corinthians
>>>>>>>>>>>> 15:55;
>>>>>>>>>>>> Revelation 20:13) Many translations transliterate the words
>>>>>>>>>>>> sheol
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> hades. A close examination of all the instances sheol and
>>>>>>>>>>>> hedes in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible shows that the usage of these words are always in
>>>>>>>>>>>> agreement
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> is stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, except for one instance (Luke
>>>>>>>>>>>> 16:23)
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> which Jesus makes use of the Hellenistic adaptation of hades to
>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> parabolic parody depicting how the Law and the Prophets were
>>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke 16:16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Some translations render forms of the Greek word often
>>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated
>>>>>>>>>>>> as Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom) as "hell" or "hellfire", but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this does
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean the same as sheol/hades.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (5) Some translations also render the verb often
>>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated as
>>>>>>>>>>>> "tataroo" as "cast down to hell", but the word does not mean
>>>>>>>>>>>> this at
>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See our study: Tartaroo Vs. Tartarus
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (6) Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. (John 8:44)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>> promised
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eve that her disobedience to God would not result in death;
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is,
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> she would not die. He has been using the promise to deceive
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>> the world ever since. (Genesis 3:1-4; Revelation 12:9) It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> the world believing that a person does not really die,
>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore he
>>>>>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the world that those who are bad are roasting somewhere for all
>>>>>>>>>>>> eternity,
>>>>>>>>>>>> thus making God appear to be some kind of fiend. With such a
>>>>>>>>>>>> view
>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly presented by a large portion of professed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, no
>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands are turning away from the Bible and going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> neo-paganism,
>>>>>>>>>>>> heathen religions and philosophies, agnosticism and atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine
>>>>>>>>>>>> of eternal roasting is a blasphemy to the Creator. Indeed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be friends of the Bible are often its worst enemies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (7) Satan uses all kinds of deceptive means to continue his
>>>>>>>>>>>> lies,
>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>> spiritism, hypnotism, near-death experiences, out-of-body
>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "And when they say to you, 'Seek those who are mediums and
>>>>>>>>>>>> wizards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> whisper and mutter,' should not a people seek their God?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should they
>>>>>>>>>>>> seek
>>>>>>>>>>>> the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> testimony!
>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> do not speak according to this word, it is because there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> no light
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> them." -- Isaiah 8:19,20, New King James Version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (8) Many claim that hell is made up of various sections, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> originally paradise was a part of hell, and that another
>>>>>>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> hell
>>>>>>>>>>>> consisted of eternal torture. Contrary to the idea that any
>>>>>>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible hell is a place of fire, torture, shrieks, etc., the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible
>>>>>>>>>>>> says:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheol,
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are going." - "in death there is no memory of you. In
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheol, who
>>>>>>>>>>>> shall
>>>>>>>>>>>> give you thanks?" - "For Sheol can't praise you, death can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate
>>>>>>>>>>>> you." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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