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   On Oct 12, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<3b0giid1f8t7d9424l0jvo68savr3jdifj@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 11:36:39 -0500, Just a guy   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   > > On 10/1/2023 5:44 AM, James wrote:   
   > > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 10:17:59 -0500, Just a guy   
   > > >   wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On 9/29/2023 7:32 PM, James wrote:   
   > > > > > Is the Kingdom within you?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > According to the popular King James Bible; yes. As well as many other   
   > > > > > translations:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- King James   
   > > > > > Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,   
   > > > > > behold, the kingdom of God is within you.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > First, what is God's kingdom? Notice Dan 2:44:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > > > Daniel 2:44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set   
   > > > > > up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its   
   sovereignty   
   > > > > > be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these   
   kingdoms   
   > > > > > and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Notice how the Bible is defining a "kingdom"; It is a nation's   
   > > > > > government.Thus God's Kingdom is God's government, which will soon   
   > > > > > take over all the governments of the world.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So back to the question. Is God's kingdom "within you"?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Of course not. God's Kingdom consists of Jehovah as its head, Jesus   
   as   
   > > > > > its king, all of God's righteous angels, and some humans from the   
   > > > > > earth. (Rev 14:1; 7:4) All of that cannot be inside a person.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > And there is more proof. Notice who Jesus was talking to at Luke   
   17:21   
   > > > > > and who is the "you" in that verse? See the verse directly before it:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- King James   
   > > > > > Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the   
   > > > > > kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of   
   > > > > > God cometh not with observation:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I disagree.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Luke 17:20 And being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God   
   > > > > should come, he answering them and said: The kingdom of God cometh not   
   > > > > with observation.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For   
   > > > > *lo, the kingdom of God is within you*   
   > > >   
   > > > Then the Kingdom of God is within the Pharisees? That's news to Jesus.   
   > >   
   > > The Pharisee did not believe Jesus was the Son of God. That makes all   
   > > the difference.   
   >   
   > Much of what the Scribes and Pharisees said was hogwash. They didn't   
   > follow much of the Bible, but had their own doctrines instead. Jesus   
   > called them "offspring of vipers". And Jesus said they prevent people   
   > from entering God's Kingdom., rather than guiding them to it.   
      
   Those people believed in Jehovah, like you, like you they did not believe   
   that Jesus was God.   
      
   You speak with forked tongue.   
   > Luke 66-71, NKJV,   
   >   
   > 66. As soon as it was day, the elders of the people, both chief   
   > priests and scribes, came together and led Him into their council,   
   > saying,   
   > 67. "If You are the Christ, tell us.'' But He said to them, "If I   
   > tell you, you will by no means believe.   
   > 68. "And if I also ask you, you will by no means answer Me or let Me   
   > go.   
   > 69. "Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the   
   > power of God.''   
   > 70. Then they all said, "Are You then the Son of God?'' And He said   
   > to them, "You rightly say that I am.''   
   > 71. And they said, "What further testimony do we need? For we have   
   > heard it ourselves from His own mouth.''   
   >   
   > They claimed Jesus said he was "the Son of God". And that angered   
   > them.   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   > Be mentally healthy   
   > 10/12/23   
   > Go to jw.org   
   >   
   > Lu   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > -- King James   
   > > > Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come   
   > > > to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath   
   > > > warned you to flee from the wrath to come?   
   > > >   
   > > > And if you believe the "you" is "you", then you would have God's whole   
   > > > government inside of you. That's God, Jesus, all the righteous angels,   
   > > > and a group of righteous humans.   
   > > >   
   > > > Even the KJV marginal reading admits a possible translation of, "The   
   > > > kingdom of God is among you". Some other Bibles agree and thus read:   
   > > >   
   > > > "nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the   
   > > > kingdom of God is in the midst of you." (RSV)   
   > > >   
   > > > the Greek word used there, can have two meanings: "within" or   
   > > > "among". For instance, the Bible scholar, Vine, shows more than one   
   > > > definition of "entos". In Vines Hebrew Dictionary it says:   
   > > >   
   > > > "entos   
   > > > Text: an adverb denoting "within," or "among,"..."   
   > > >   
   > > > Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible also agrees: "within" or   
   > > > "among".   
   > > >   
   > > > Thus the rendering of "entos" can be either "within" or "among". In   
   > > > other words, the Greek word is just not limited to the word "within",   
   > > > or similar expressions.   
   > > >   
   > > > But the strongest argument against "within" as the real thought here,   
   > > > is the context itself. Again notice who Jesus was talking to in Lu   
   > > > 17:21. Vs 20 says it was the Pharisees. They were about the last   
   > > > persons on earth that Jesus would say had 'the kingdom of God'   
   > > > residing in them. Rather, Jesus called them hypocrites, blind guides,   
   > > > serpents, offspring of vipers, and said that they prevented the   
   > > > Kingdom of the Heavens from reaching men. (Mt 23:13,16,33) Not a very   
   > > > fine testimony, was it.   
   > > >   
   > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > In God's Kingdom   
   > > > all needs are met   
   > > > 10/1/23   
   > > > Go to jw.org   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees. The ones he called   
   "offspring   
   > > > > > of vipers". (Mt 3:7)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So even if the Kingdom could be inside a person, they are the last   
   > > > > > persons who would have it.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I disagree with this as well. Why? You must search your own heart   
   > > > > for this answer. Does Christ live in you? Does the love for all men   
   > > > > live in you for the good of all living?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If you have examined your own heart and found love living there then   
   > > > > indeed, God lives within you.   
      
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