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   On Oct 17, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 23:59:48 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 11, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<5ohdiidhjnj3ib1mdauhib9ud67vg5fl9c@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 16:30:21 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Oct 7, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > Jesus = Michael the archangel?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Don't call the men in white coats yet. Hear it out.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Facts: There is apparently many “prince” angels, but only ONE   
   > > > > > archangel, Michael. And only one “great prince”. Dan 12:1a,   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people,   
   will   
   > > > > > arise.“ (NIV)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The name Michael in reference to the archangel is introduced in the   
   > > > > > book of Daniel Chapter 10. In Daniel, he is referred to as "Michael,   
   > > > > > your prince." (NIV) and "At that time Michael, the great prince who   
   > > > > > protects your people, will arise." (Dan 10:21; 12:1; NIV) Thus   
   Michael   
   > > > > > is the prince of Daniel's people, the Israelites.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Dan 10:13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and   
   > > > > twenty   
   > > > > days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and   
   I   
   > > > > remained there with the kings of Persia.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Michael is What? One of what? Why do you intend to deceive others?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > This connection to Daniel's people is an indicator that this angel is   
   > > > > > the same powerful angel that led the Israelites out of Egypt. (Ex   
   > > > > > 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Some angel did, right? So it could have   
   > > > > > been Michael.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Did you receive this knowledge from ChatGpt or some other AI entity?   
   > > > > It could have been any angel of the Lords.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > But is there more evidence? Yes, the powerful angel Michael had a   
   > > > > > dispute with Satan about Moses' body. (Jude 9) Satan may very well   
   > > > > > wanted to trap the Israelites into relic worship, but Michael won and   
   > > > > > Moses body ended up in an unmarked grave. (De 34:6) Thus this Michael   
   > > > > > was very interested in the affairs of the Israelites.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Michal was one of the angels, what evidence you showed here does not   
   > > > > support   
   > > > > any of your other guesses and suppositions.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Jude refers to Michael as an archangel. The Bible doesn't name any   
   > > > > > other archangels. And the Bible never uses the word archangel in the   
   > > > > > plural form, indicating more than one exists. Thus this "Michael" has   
   > > > > > a unique position with God.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Then you better refer to the verses you quoted at the fore, which I C&P   
   > > > > for   
   > > > > the edification of all.   
   > > > > It shows your folly.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > According to "Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament"   
   the   
   > > > > > word "Archangel" means "Chief of the angels"; or as others say,   
   "Chief   
   > > > > > angel". Other than God, the only other persons in the Bible that have   
   > > > > > authority over angels are Michael and Jesus. (Mt 25:31)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It does not say that at all.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Mat 25:31   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels   
   > > > > with   
   > > > > him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Why do you feel at liberty to lie, could it have been given you by the   
   > > > > father   
   > > > > of lies?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The Apostle Paul adds further information by connecting the word   
   > > > > > "archangel " with Jesus, in 1 Th 4:16,   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with   
   the   
   > > > > voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in   
   Christ   
   > > > > shall rise first:” (1Th 4:16)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > What angel or angels in heaven have trumpets to blow?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Read, see, hear the word of the Lord.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Rev 8:2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them   
   were   
   > > > > given seven trumpets.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Rev 8:6And the seven angels which had the seventrumpets prepared   
   > > > > themselves   
   > > > > to sound.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Rev 8:13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of   
   > > > > heaven,   
   > > > > saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the   
   earth by   
   > > > > reason of the other voices of thetrumpet of the three angels, which are   
   > > > > yet   
   > > > > to sound!   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Rev 9:14Saying to the sixth angel which had thetrumpet, Loose the four   
   > > > > angels   
   > > > > which are bound in the great river Euphrates.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud   
   command,   
   > > > > > with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and   
   > > > > > the dead in Christ will rise first." (NIV)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The scripture literally says "in voice of archangel" . It takes an   
   > > > > > archangel to have the voice of an archangel. And if there is only one   
   > > > > > archangel or "Chief angel", then it would have to be Jesus.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Again you repeat a falsehood. See Dan 10:13 as posted above.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings and over all creation, so   
   > > > > > copying a subordinate angelic voice would not be appropriate here.   
   (Re   
   > > > > > 19:16) Also, notice the Lord had the archangel's voice and with the   
   > > > > > "trumpet call of God"   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Yet you declare that Jesus is not God. Do you speak with the forked   
   tongue   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > a serpent?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > then a resurrection of the dead will occur.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You are referencing it the final resurrection at the end of the   
   millennium   
   > > > >   
   > > > > However, those that are in Christ...   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 1Th 4:15-17   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are   
   > > > > alive   
   > > > > and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are   
   > > > > asleep.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with   
   the   
   > > > > voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in   
   Christ   
   > > > > shall rise first:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with   
   > > > > them   
   > > > > in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be   
   with   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > Lord.   
   > > > >   
      
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