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   On Nov 9, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<0o9oki5p8fr4jacolgcchmpbsc2tveio1c@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 22:44:55 -0800, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Nov 7, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 10:17:05 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Nov 2, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 17:21:43 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Jesus. The Anointed on, is God. Historically prophesied as God   
   > > > > > > descending   
   > > > > > > to earth, to be born of a virgin, conceived to the Holy Spirit of   
   God,   
   > > > > > > as   
   > > > > > > prophesied in the OT. Coming with the sole purpose of fulfilling   
   the law   
   > > > > > > of sin and death, then to be sacrificed for all the sins of the   
   people   
   > > > > > > who   
   > > > > > > then receive Him as their Lord and Saviour. He died that whosoever   
   would   
   > > > > > > believe upon him would be saved. Which is far different than just   
   > > > > > > believing that   
   > > > > > > he is God. Even Satan knew he was as he attempted to tempt him   
   after 40   
   > > > > > > days   
   > > > > > > of fasting, when he was at his weakest humanly speaking.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The Devil called him "a Son of God", not God. (Mt 4:1-6)   
   > > > > > You are the son of your father. Are you also your father? Neither is   
   > > > > > Jesus God.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Again you speak with a false tongue.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on   
   a   
   > > > > pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God,   
   > > > > cast   
   > > > > thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge   
   > > > > concerning   
   > > > > thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou   
   > > > > dash   
   > > > > thy foot against a stone.” (Mat 4:5-6)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > He knew who Jesus was, yet he said "If thou be the Son of God" seeking   
   to   
   > > > > create doubt as he knew that Jehovah had set aside his Glory and Power   
   to   
   > > > > be   
   > > > > born a man, as prophesied.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the   
   Lord   
   > > > > thy God.” (Mat 4:7)   
   > > >   
   > > > My, how you twist things. I will try to straighten them out.   
   > >   
   > > It is you who twists things.   
   >   
   > Then the Bible twists things, since that is my source of truths.   
      
   God is the source of Truth, His Spirit the transmitter of His truth to men,   
   as needed.   
      
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > If Jehovah gave up His power, WHO RAN THE UNIVERSE? WHO HEARD ALL THE   
   > > > PRAYERS BEING SAID TO GOD? WHO TOOK CHARGE IN HEAVEN WHEN GOD WAS   
   > > > allegedly GONE?   
   > >   
   > > The Heavenly Father.   
   >   
   > Then that places God on the earth as well as in Heaven AT THE SAME   
   > TIME.   
   > Also if God was visibly on earth, all persons who saw Him should have   
   > died.   
   >   
   > No man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)   
   >   
   > - New King James   
   > John 6:46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from   
   > God; He has seen the Father.   
      
   The truth of that has been explained to you many times, yet you drop the   
   truth like a hot potato.   
   So lets look at the truth here while you mentioned "The Father" Since Jesus   
   is not the Father, but Jesus IS Jehovah, then you would have to admit that   
   you do know of the various parts of the Godhead. Even when you deny the   
   reality of the truth,   
      
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Who said the Devil knew FOR SURE he was not the Son of God, but God   
   > > > Himself? There is no Bible text saying that at all. That is your pure   
   > > > speculation.   
   > >   
   > > Jesus told him, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God". Satan knew who he   
   > > was, for that reason thousands of babies under the age of two were killed.   
   >   
   > King Herod killed the infants because the prophecy said Jesus would   
   > become a king. And King Herod didn't want the competition.   
      
   So? Satan took advantage of his ignorance and put the ideas into his heart,   
   to do them. Which included one of his own children.   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > Also, at Mt 4:7 Jesus referred to Mt 4:5,6, where GOD said He would   
   > > > send angels to protect him. So Jesus said not to tempt God.   
   > >   
   > > Answer the question for yourself. Jesus made no secret of the Fact that he   
   > > we   
   > > the "SON of GOD" His Heavenly Father. He told Martha that he was going to   
   > > see   
   > > His God and her God. That he was doing the Work of His Heavenly Father.   
   >   
   > Yes, Jesus has the same God of all humans.   
      
   Not you, nor any other pagan. Your god is the religion you serve.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > You cannot understand these things because you have no part with Him.   
   >   
   > Next to God, JW's say Jesus is the most important person in the   
   > universe.   
      
   So since you claim both are persons, then both are Gods? Do you ever pay   
   attention to your words?   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > Whoever   
   > > denies Him he will deny them before His Heavenly Father.   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > God NEVER died (Ps 90:2), but Jesus did. (1 Thess 4:14) Therefore   
   > > > > > Jesus can't be God. How can you explain that? And there are a slew of   
   > > > > > other Scriptures that proves that Jesus is not God.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > John 10:17-18(KJV)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I   
   > > > > might   
   > > > > take it again.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power   
   to   
   > > > > lay   
   > > > > it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I   
   > > > > received   
   > > > > of my Father.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > John 10:15(KJV)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down   
   my   
   > > > > life for the sheep.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > This was speaking of his Body, since the spirit cannot cease to exist.   
   > > >   
   > > > Then where do animal spirits go to when they die? Ec 3:19,20,   
   > > >   
   > > > "19. For an event [is to] the sons of man, and an event [is to] the   
   > > > beasts, even one event [is] to them; as the death of this, so [is] the   
   > > > death of that; and one spirit [is] to all, and the advantage of man   
   > > > above the beast is nothing, for the whole [is] vanity.   
   > > > 20. The whole are going unto one place, the whole have been from the   
   > > > dust, and the whole are turning back unto the dust."   
   > >   
   > > Because you misquote this here it is repeated and the third verse answered   
   > > your question.   
   > >   
   > > Just like the last time you brought this up.   
   > >   
   > > Ecc 3:19-21   
   > >   
   > > 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one   
   thing   
   > > befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all   
   one   
      
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