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   From: robert@no.way   
      
   On Dec 26, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:15:52 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >   wrote:   
   >   
   > > On 25/12/2023 3:10 am, James wrote:   
   > > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 08:38:07 +1100, Michael Christ   
   > > >   wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On 21/12/2023 4:40 am, James wrote:   
   > > > > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:38:20 +1100, Michael Christ   
   > > > > >   wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On 13/12/2023 11:53 am, James wrote:   
   > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 07:37:32 +1100, Michael Christ   
   > > > > > > >   wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On 12/12/2023 1:06 am, James wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 10:21:31 +1100, Michael Christ   
   > > > > > > > > >   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Your doctrines have not transformed you into   
   righteousness, Sinner   
   > > > > > > > > > > James, and they never will.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Since they all only come from the Bible, don't be so sure of   
   that.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Your doctrines have not transformed you into righteousness,   
   Sinner   
   > > > > > > > > James. True or false? "Be honest."   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Doctrines do not make a man righteous, the Lord Jesus Christ   
   in Person   
   > > > > > > > > does. The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the Saviour. God alone is   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > Saviour, not your doctrines.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > What do you think Bible doctrines are? They are as if God or   
   Jesus was   
   > > > > > > > speaking directly to us. Just believing they exist is good, but   
   > > > > > > > hearing them speak and guide us is much better.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > From the JW.org website...   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > "By the end of his life on earth, Jesus had made a good   
   name with   
   > > > > > > > > > > God."   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > But just look at the subtlety of lukewarm sinners at work!   
   Jesus   
   > > > > > > > > > > HAD a   
   > > > > > > > > > > good name with His Father (Of course, Jesus is of His   
   > > > > > > > > > > Spirit)..."Mat_17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright   
   cloud   
   > > > > > > > > > > overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud,   
   which said,   
   > > > > > > > > > > This   
   > > > > > > > > > > is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > But it is not what they mean above.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Notice, that was before the crucifixion, from the   
   beginning, not by   
   > > > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > > > end that the JW doctrine infers, having worked for His   
   value!   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > James the disobeying sinner advises:   
   > > > > > > > > > You are not making any sense to me. What doctrine of   
   inference?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > You ignore the truth and try to find an obfuscation hole to   
   hide in.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Obfuscation= making things unclear.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > "By the end of his life on earth, Jesus had made a good name   
   with   
   > > > > > > > > God."   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > A lie.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Where did you get that quote from?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > The Lord Jesus did not make a good name for Himself; He had a   
   good   
   > > > > > > > > name   
   > > > > > > > > yesterday, He has a good name today, and He will forever have   
   a good   
   > > > > > > > > name. "Good" does not change; God does not change.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > What you are not seeing with me it is not about "right or   
   wrong"   
   > > > > > > > > doctrines, silly arguments about theology, it is about the   
   passionate   
   > > > > > > > > truth.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You speak a lot of opinions, I speak a lot of Bible truths.   
   That's   
   > > > > > > > where we differ.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > My Lord is good, He didn't make a good name for Himself thereby   
   > > > > > > > > becoming   
   > > > > > > > > good. Your sin is subtle (taking what is not true and trying   
   to make   
   > > > > > > > > it   
   > > > > > > > > the truth), as it has been from the beginning.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > More opinions as usual.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Oh how subtle evil is.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > And so what do their ways reveal and announce? That you   
   work in your   
   > > > > > > > > > > sinful state for your value (make a good name for your   
   self).   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Insidious.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I am doing nothing of the sort. I only want to share Bible   
   knowledge.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > You share the JW sinner imperfect, bible interpretations, and   
   > > > > > > > > doctrines   
   > > > > > > > > of flawed sinful men.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Opinion.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Thanks for that! :-). Thanks a lot!   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You are welcome for whatever you are thanking me for.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > When you stand before the Lord, He'll be real appreciative of   
   that!   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Another opinion.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > But here is the thing: what do the stereotypical mainstream   
   > > > > > > > > > > religions   
   > > > > > > > > > > really boil down to—anything different? I'll leave that   
   with you.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > The mainstream religions lay stagnated in unscriptural   
   doctrines,   
   > > > > > > > > > such   
   > > > > > > > > > as hellfire, Trinity, Jesus is God, Purgatory, people live   
   on right   
   > > > > > > > > > at   
   > > > > > > > > > death, Limbo, support the wars of this world, celebrations   
   of pagan   
   > > > > > > > > > holidays such as Halloween, all good people go to Heaven,   
   people have   
   > > > > > > > > > an immortal soul, etc, etc.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Even if all you say about them was true, how does that make   
   you a   
   > > > > > > > > better   
   > > > > > > > > sinner? A better whore? A better liar?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Those do not. But knowing those false church doctrines can help   
   > > > > > > > improve ones spirituality. (Pr 4:18)   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > All religious sinners have sinner doctrines.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > That is why they sin. Your church is no different.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > The Bible again, says all people sin. Do you believe this?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
      
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