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   >>Christ taught in Matthew:   
   >>   
   >>5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee:   
   >>for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and   
   >>not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.   
      
      
   Friend james tries a slight of hand:>   
      
   >In the Bible, OT "hell" is translated from the Hebrew word "sheol".   
      
   The source of Christ's discussion of the afterlife is not the OT but the   
   1st entury common understanding; covered below:   
      
   >The NT "hell" translates from the Greek word "hades". (   
      
   Yup, the meaning the jews had adopted by the 1st century; see blow for it   
   application  by Crhist:   
      
   >The "hell" in Mt 5:30 above, doesn't come from either of those words.   
   >THUS IT'S NOT AN ACCUR   
      
   Well duh:   
      
   ATE TRANSLATION HERE. The Greek word translated   
   >as "hell" there is "Gehenna". (   
      
   Yup, as in strongs greek; the goto source for greek word meaning used in   
   the NT:   
      
   Bible Strong's Greek 1067 1067. geenna Strong's Concordance geenna:   
   Gehenna, a valley W. and South of Jer., also a symbolic name for the final   
      place of punishment of the ungodly Original Word: ge'enna, y*s, ...   
      
   Matthew   
   >>25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye   
   >>cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:   
   >   
   >Here again Jesus uses FIRE to represent complete destruction.   
      
   No, the core reference is "everlasting"; destruction would be time limited.   
      
   >>Over time the hebrew idea of the afterlife changed.   
   >   
   >Negatrons. The afterlife in the NT was the same, but just added more   
   >details.   
      
   Shame; I have given you the hebrew/jewish discusssion of the topic.   it   
   provides the biblical and non-biblical hebrew/jewish religious writing   
   sources.   
      
   >> First early in the OT   
   >>the afterlife was a holding place where the dead were not aware of their   
   >>situation.   
   >   
   >Not only their situation, but the dead were not aware of ANYTHING.   
      
   Well duh, the same thing in different words.>   
      
   Using the hebrew/jewish discussion again:   
      
   >>By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the   
   >>righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of   
   >>torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.   
   >   
   >The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go   
   >to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad.   
      
   Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.   
   >   
   >the wicked.   
   >   
   >>in a place of contentment.  The two place doctrine is reflected in the last   
   >>two verses above.   
   >>   
   >>This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.   
   >>Christ used the very common understtanding of the doctrine of the afterlife   
   >>of 1st century jews to make His point in the parable.   
   >   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)