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From: robert@no.way
On Mar 10, 2024, James wrote
(in article):
> On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 12:57:00 -0800, Robert wrote:
>
> > On Mar 9, 2024, James wrote
> > (in article<1o7pui9fl1hbb99pot6de4s16dlfpkvslr@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 09:06:47 -0800, Robert wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mar 5, 2024, James wrote
> > > > (in article):
> > > >
> > > > > Death: It's not complicated
> > > > >
> > > > > To many people, death is a mystery. There are 'near death
> > > > > experiences'. There are ghosts. There are religious teachings. So
does
> > > > > anybody REALLY know for sure what is going on with death?
> > > > >
> > > > > YES, THERE REALLY AND TRUELY IS!
> > > > >
> > > > > Recall where you were at before you were born. You were non-existant.
> > > > > Believe it or not, the Bible tells us the same thing happens when you
> > > > > die. You are non-existant. Here are some Bible proofs:
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Revised Standard
> > > > > Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead
> > > > > know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is
> > > > > lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, the dead "KNOW NOTHING". But there is more: Ps 146:3,4,
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom
> > > > > there is no help.
> > > > > 4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very
> > > > > day his thoughts perish.
> > > > >
> > > > > YES, A DEAD PERSON HAS HIS "THOUGHTS PERISH."
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus he can't be a ghost, etc. For he "knows nothing" because his
> > > > > "thoughts perish". (kind of hard to exist without thoughts, isn't
it,)
> > > > >
> > > > > So if the dead are non-existant, what is their hope? The Bible tells
> > > > > us:
> > > > >
> > > > > -- King James
> > > > > Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also
> > > > > allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the
> > > > > just and unjust.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus, the dead are in God's memory. And just like he helped Jesus to
> > > > > resurrect the decomposing Lazarus, He will do most all the dead that
> > > > > He chooses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely James
> > > >
> > > > You might be sincerely James, but you are wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Tents and tabernacles do not talk. When they corrode away or are
otherwise
> > > > destroyed they are but dust in the ground.
> > > >
> > > > From Dust, the body of Adam, to Dust, Adams body is all wore out.
> > >
> > > Robert true,
> > >
> > > When Adam died, he physically returned to dust. And dust has no
> > > thoughts.
> > >
> > > Also, God said Adam would DIE if he ate the forbidden fruit. If Adam
> > > had some mysterious 'soul' thing that contained his personality and
> > > survived death, then the person of Adam didn't die, and God's a liar.
> >
> > You just eliminated all options from God in your life. To you, He is a
liar.
> > For this is what the scripture saith.
>
> Adam HAS no soul, he IS a soul. (Gen 2:7) Thus when Adam died, he
> didn't exist anywhere. He ceased to exist. (Ec 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen 2:7)
‘Became’ a living soul. As pointed out to you from scripture. The only
other statement by some translators says “became a living being”. The
ancient Hebrew speaks, it means the complete being.
>
> >
> > “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of
> > it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Gen
> > 2:17)
> >
> > What does this scripture say? Read it again.
> >
> > It clearly says that the *”DAY”* that you eat it, you will DIE. And the
> > word ‘die’ was emphatic as in “die die”.
>
> God did not lie here. Whose "day" is God talking about? Is it Adam's
> day? No, it is GOD'S "DAY". And how long was God's "day"? 2 Pet 3:8,
>
> -- King James
> 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
> day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one
> day.
>
> Adam died at 930 years old. So he died within Jehovah's "day".
930 goes not equal 1,000. Your social new math does not equate to what God
Says. Not only that but you totally miss-out on the understanding of
“as”. God created and defined ‘Day’ as from sunset to sunset. Yet
here you are attempting to create doubt as well not believing the Word of God
to be true. SO, as was pointed out to you by Peter, “Be NOT Ignorant”.
>
> >
> > Therefore either it IS true or it is not, and if it is true then your
> > understanding of it is in total error as you say the God must have lied
> > since
> > in your understanding, it never happened as God spoke it. (Again, this is
> > proof that you do not believe ALL the Bible, like you say that you do.)
>
> You just are not getting it. If Adam had an immortal soul (Heb
> nephesh), then HE never died, just his body. And if it happened that
> way, then that would make God a liar.
>
> And don't forget that a fish as a "soul". (Gen 1:20) Is its soul
> (nephesh) immortal also? Please answer.
“And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature
that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament
of heaven.” (Gen 1:20)
Again, Scripture differs from your false beliefs. So again your statement
that you BELIEVE ALL the Bible is false. Please answer.
>
>
> >
> > The word for day in ancient Hebrew was heat, as it is in daylight. And or
it
> > may be interpreted as a 24 hour day from sunset to sunset.
> >
> > Clarity of the understanding of this penalty of eternal death is described
> > in Romans 5:12-21 as given to Paul by the Holy Spirit.
>
> Since Adam didn't die that very human day (24 hours), and you believe
> that word "day" there meant 24 hours, you just called God a liar.
He did die. Proof? He now knew the difference between Good and Evil.
“And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the
tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?” (Gen 3:11)
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know
good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree
of life, and eat, and live for ever:” (Gen 3:22)
Now he knows sin and the death of it upon his eternal life. He in choosing to
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