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      XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christian       From: usenet@christrose.news              Paul clearly taught that ministers of the gospel have a right to receive       material support, even though he personally declined that support in       certain contexts to avoid putting a stumbling block before others.       "Sincerely" James misrepresents the full counsel of God’s Word on this       issue. While some of the references are accurate, the conclusion       contradicts the teaching of Christ and Paul. Below is a thorough       refutation where needed, and confirmation where accurate, based on       Scripture.              1. Misuse of Matthew 10:8              "Sincerely" James quotes: “You received without paying, give without       pay” (Matthew 10:8, RSV) as a universal command against any material       support for ministry. This verse was part of Jesus’ specific       instructions to the twelve apostles as He sent them out to preach the       kingdom to Israel (Matthew 10:5-10). But in the same context, Jesus       said: “the laborer deserves his food” (Matthew 10:10, ESV). That phrase       reflects the right to receive physical provision for spiritual labor.       Jesus was not forbidding all support; He was forbidding commercializing       the miraculous gifts (like healings or exorcisms). He explicitly told       the apostles to accept hospitality and provision (Luke 10:7), not to       charge fees or profit from their miracles. That is very different from       saying ministers today must never receive pay.              2. Misinterpretation of Paul’s Example              "Sincerely" James rightly cites Paul’s refusal to burden certain       churches (2 Corinthians 11:7-9; 12:14), but he omits Paul’s clear       teaching that ministers do have the right to receive support. Paul’s       personal choice to forgo that right in Corinth was not a universal       pattern for all ministers.              Paul said plainly: “The Lord commanded that those who proclaim the       gospel should get their living by the gospel” (1 Corinthians 9:14, ESV).       This command came from Jesus Himself (see also Luke 10:7). Paul also       argued that just as soldiers, farmers, and shepherds partake of their       labor, so gospel workers should too (1 Corinthians 9:7-11). He then       adds: “If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we       reap material things from you?” (1 Corinthians 9:11, ESV). Paul waived       this right in Corinth to avoid hindering the gospel (1 Corinthians       9:12), but he did not renounce it as wrong or unbiblical. In fact, he       instructed others to financially support elders who labor in the Word:       “Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor,       especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture       says… ‘The laborer deserves his wages.’” (1 Timothy 5:17-18, ESV). Paul       quoted Deuteronomy and Jesus to support payment for gospel work.              Paul also rebuked the Corinthians for failing to support him, and       described how other churches filled in the gap: “I robbed other churches       by accepting support from them in order to serve you” (2 Corinthians       11:8, ESV). Paul was not ashamed of receiving that support. He only       regretted that Corinth failed to do its part, and he had to rely on       others. That hardly supports the idea that all financial support is       unbiblical—it proves the opposite.              3. False Dichotomy Between Salary and Support              "Sincerely" James distinguishes “provisions” from a “regular salary,”       implying that ongoing support is somehow sinful or man-made. But the       Scripture never makes that distinction. Whether it comes as food, gifts,       or ongoing pay, the principle is the same: believers must support those       who shepherd and teach them. “One who is taught the word must share all       good things with the one who teaches” (Galatians 6:6, ESV). This       principle does not depend on how often or in what form support is given.       Paul received repeated support from the Philippians: “Even in       Thessalonica you sent me help for my needs once and again” (Philippians       4:16, ESV). Their support pleased God and supplied Paul’s needs, and he       never rebuked them for it.              4. Misuse of Paul’s Tentmaking              "Sincerely" James appeals to Paul’s tentmaking (Acts 18:3), but not       because it was wrong to accept support. Paul made tents temporarily and       strategically, especially in Corinth where false teachers abused       finances. He did accept material help elsewhere (Philippians 4:10-19),       and he commanded others to support faithful teachers. Paul’s choice was       voluntary, not mandatory for all preachers: “Nevertheless, we have not       made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an       obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ” (1 Corinthians 9:12, ESV).       A personal sacrifice, freely made, does not revoke God’s ordinance.              5. Misapplication of 2 Thessalonians 3:8 and 1 Corinthians 11:1              "Sincerely" James uses Paul’s words in 2 Thessalonians 3 and 1       Corinthians 11 to suggest that accepting support for gospel work       contradicts apostolic example. Paul exhorted believers to follow his       example of not being idle or taking advantage of others (2 Thessalonians       3:6-10), especially those who refused to work. But this has no bearing       on faithful ministers being supported by those they serve. Paul’s       command was to imitate his self-discipline, not his refusal of gospel       pay. When Paul says “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ” (1       Corinthians 11:1), he refers to Christlike humility and love—not       vocational tentmaking.              Conclusion              "Sincerely" James fails to rightly divide the Word of truth. While he       correctly points out that Paul sometimes worked with his hands, he       falsely concludes that paid ministry contradicts the teachings of       Christ. Both Jesus and Paul taught that faithful ministers have the       right to receive material support. The sin lies not in receiving       support, but in peddling the Word for selfish gain (2 Corinthians 2:17).       Scripture condemns greed and manipulation—not faithful compensation.              Every believer who feeds on God’s Word has a God-given responsibility to       share with the one who teaches him (Galatians 6:6). Elders who labor in       preaching and teaching deserve not only honor but support (1 Timothy       5:17-18). Paul’s example was one of sacrificial love, not a model for       rejecting rightful support.              --       Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God       raised Him from the dead?              That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death       penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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