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From: Robert@none.non
On May 5, 2023, James wrote
(in article<11r95i5tqgv2bflvt2iun3s5d85beuj24p@4ax.com>):
> On Wed, 03 May 2023 14:11:04 -0700, Robert wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article):
> >
> > > On Wed, 3 May 2023 09:39:23 +1000, Michael McLean
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What you should have said was, "How was it possible for men to see the
> > > > Lord Jesus Christ (pre and post-resurrection) if He is God?" How about
> > > > you assume now Jesus IS God and how would you explain it?
> > >
> > > I can't, since I have to go by the Holy Scriptures
> >
> > OK, here is what the scripture says.
> >
> > “We proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have
> > heard and seen.
>
> God had no "beginning", Jesus did.
Your first denial of truth and the word of God in your reply. :(
>
>
> > We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own
> > hands. He is the Word of life. This one who is life itself was revealed to
> > us,
> > and we have seen him. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the
> > one who is eternal life. He was with the Father,
>
> If Jesus was "with" God, then there are TWO present.
Just what is that supposed to mean?
>
>
> > and then he was revealed to us. We
> > proclaim to you what we ourselves have actually seen and heard so that you
> > may
> > have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his
> > Son, Jesus Christ.
>
> Yes, Jesus was God's Son, (not God the Son)
2nd Denial of Scripture.
>
>
> > We are writing these things so that you may fully share our
> > joy.” (1Jn 1:1-4)
> >
> > And here,...
> >
> > “In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and
the
> > Word was God.
>
> A very misleading translation. Here is how it should start out: "the
> word already existed" is false. It should read:
>
> "He was in the beginning with God." (NKJV)
Here you are reversing your denial? You are admitting that he already existed?
Here the version you supposedly used, and what it really spoke,
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen
with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled,
concerning the Word of life—” (1Jn 1:1)
The translation was not misleading at all, So why did you lie?
>
>
> And "the Word was God, should be the "Word was a god"
3rd denial.
There is no "a" in that verse.
“εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον
θεον και θεος ην ο λογος” (Joh 1:1)
You intentionally seek to deceive, you follow the leading of Satan who did as
you followed here, in the beginning of man, and deceived Eve with twisting the
Words of God to Adam. Those who taught you that are of the evil one, yet you
chose to believe them and made their lies, your truth, yet you cannot support
your truth. If you persist in your deceits your end will be with Satan and his
followers. A harsh reality of living a lie.
>
>
> Yes, Jesus (before he came to earth) had a BEGINNING. God always was.
No, not at all Jesus was not born of man, he was born of a woman. A woman who
child was fathered by the Holy Spirit. Hence the word is true that he was both
God, the Son, and the first begotten Son of God. Jesus always was and the
verses I have quoted here speak to that end and so here you have preferred your
4th Lie. Yet another denial of the Bible you said you followed 100%.
>
>
> > He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything
> > through him, and nothing was created except through him. The Word gave life
> > to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone.”
(Joh
> > 1:1-4)
>
> Yes, Jesus in some way assisted his Father with His creations. There
> are two people present here.
Here you offer confusion. God the Father is Not a "People", He is a Spirit.
What you fail to see is that there is a Godhead. God the Father and God the
Son. The Son was always in the Bosom of God. Elohim is plural.
>
>
> >
> > Plus here he says it plainly for all to see, "I am the one who is, who
> > always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
> >
> > Rev 1:4-8
>
> This is speaking of God, NOT Jesus:
Lie number 5 Is God the Father still to come? Where is that prophesied? Jesus
Is the One who is yet to come, and he knows not the time for that time is in
the hands of the Heavenly Father. The understanding of which, you know not, for
you dwell in the land of confusion.
>
>
> - New American Standard
> Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God,
> "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
> The Patmos Vision
>
> -- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
> Revelation 1:8 `I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who
> is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
>
> -- New American with Apocrypha
> Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the
> one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty."
>
> -- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
> Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who
> is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
All of those verses speak the same thing. " who is to come". Who is that one?
Jesus, the Almighty one. “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” (Mat 28:18)
If you believe ALL the Bible then you must accept that as well,
>
>
> >
> > 4 This letter is from John to the seven churches in the province of Asia.
> > Grace
> > and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is still to
> > come; from the sevenfold Spirit before his throne;
> >
> > 5 and from Jesus Christ. He is the faithful witness to these things, the
> > first to rise from the dead,
>
> Yes, but God NEVER died. He always was. (Ps 90:2)
As to the verse you referenced,...
“Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth
and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (Psa
90:2)
Here it speaks of Jesus, who came forth from eternity, to this earth creation.
And when the time on earth is concluded at the end of his millennial reign, the
earth and its surrounding are burnt up with a servant heat, and he, along with
all the people he saved, will go to eternity as all time is completed.
And God never ceased to exist here also. His dwelling place, the Human Body,
aka the flesh, was sacrificed. He then entered into hell, set the captives
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