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   A jw vatican follower robotically recites what he was spoon fed, "or else   
   the consequences: ":   
      
   >Yes, they say. And here is their proof.   
   >   
   >Revelation 1:7  Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye   
   >will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth   
   >will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.   
   >   
   >The book of Revelation contains the most symbolism of any Bible book.   
   >It has dragons, and beasts with crowns on their multi heads, and a   
   >lake that is on fire, etc, etc.   
      
   Dit you see it?  Preset understanding/limit/dismiss the 2nd coming bit by   
   limiting it to "symbolism".  That is typical jw vatican weasal word   
   tactics.   
      
   The church just celebrated the Ascension of Christ,ie. 40 days after   
   easter.  Here is the Acts scene of the event, is the 2nd coming to be   
   physical from the clouds:   
      
      1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up,   
   behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;   
   1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into   
   heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so   
   come in like manner as ye have seen him   
      
   Does that provide any doubt of a "visible" return, "in like manner" as He   
   ascended?   
      
   So why would the jw vatican push the "visible" line?  Easy, after multiple   
   false failed predictions for the date of His return, they borrowed the   
   millerite movement's excuse from the mid 19th century.   
    That also had multiple of the date setting predictions.  When all failed   
   they said He had made an "invisible" return after the last of the failed   
   predictions after all.   
      
   The jw vatican founder used the same excuse saying his failed 1914   
   prediction was correct, it was an invisible return, sure.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)