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From: none@none.con
On May 25, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> Jesus' second coming. Visible?
First you need to establish what his coming is. You haven't.
Secondly he has already returned to earth the same day after he arose from
the grave.
Therefore you need to establish what was the first, second, third, fourth,
etc, So far you have not.
Then you need to establish with what they see? The eyes of their flesh, the
eyes of their spirits, of both sets of eyes. So far you have not.
>
> Yes, they say. And here is their proof.
Who is "they" and if more than one group then say so, as well as explain
their differences.
>
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye
> will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth
> will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
Which time/period is this? You have not established that either.
>
>
> The book of Revelation contains the most symbolism of any Bible book.
> It has dragons, and beasts with crowns on their multi heads, and a
> lake that is on fire, etc, etc.
And the scripture defines itself, why haven't you seen the understanding?
> So what kind of Rev "eye" is seeing
> him? Let's first look at the first part of Rev 1:7:
>
> "he is coming with the clouds". It doesn't say he is coming in clear
> blue skies, but rather with "clouds". If you see an airplane high in
> the air, and it goes into the clouds, what happens? Yes, it no longer
> becomes visible. The same would happen to Jesus, implying
> invisibility.
"Every eye will see him"? Now you are stating that you do not believe that
statement of God? Explain.
> But there is more.
>
> The much less symbolic book of John says:
>
> -- Revised Standard
> John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but
> you will see me; because I live, you will live also. Yes, Jesus is
> going to Heaven and so is his apostle, so they will literally see him.
In that verse it made no mention of the Apostles going to heaven to see
Jesus.
You have said time and time again that Jesus is a spirit, so how then can one
see Him?
>
>
> What? The world won't literally SEE him anymore? Then what does Rev
> 1:7 mean? It means their mind's 'eye'. When Jesus takes over the
> earth, everyone will know it, even though no one can literally see
> him. They will know by his works.(remember, Revelation is loaded with
> symbolism)
Hmmm, and now you have added yet another eye, the "minds eye", proof?
You have as yet not established the period of time that rev 1:7 is speaking
of. Why not? So that you can talk in circles when you mess up?
When does Jesus "take over the earth" Which one?
Now you say no one will see him. Proof? And specified time period?
What works are you speaking of?
Why is it that you seek to be an author of confusion? You say you believe
every word, then you don't and you question it even using scripture to
counter itself. God is not the author of confusion.
Show us that you know and understand. I asked you questions, and each one is
answerable in scripture. Not one opposes itself as you claim. You state over
and over again that you believe every word of it, yet you say it opposes
itself. What gives?
>
>
> Sincerely James
Here is your chance to answer what you were asked. Each and everyone as you
were the one who brought up the subjects.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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