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   On Jun 19, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:13:14 -0700, No one wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jun 18, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > The 3 wisemen visited the baby Jesus?   
   > >   
   > > The Visit of the Wise Men   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2: 1NOW WHEN Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod   
   > > the king, behold, wise men [astrologers] from the east came to Jerusalem,   
   > > asking,   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:2 Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen   
   His   
   > > star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him. [Num 24:17;   
   Jer   
   > > 23:5; Zec 9:9]   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:3 When Herod the king heard this, he was disturbedand troubled, and   
   > > the   
   > > whole of Jerusalem with him.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:4 So he called together all the chief priests and learned men   
   > > (scribes)   
   > > of the people and anxiously asked them where the Christ was to be born.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:5 They replied to him, In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by   
   > > the prophet:   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:6 And you Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, you are not in any way   
   > > least   
   > > or insignificant among the chief cities of Judah; for from you shall come a   
   > > Ruler (Leader) Who will govern and shepherd My people Israel. [Mic 5:2]   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:7 Then Herod sent for the wise men [astrologers] secretly, and   
   > > accurately to the last point ascertained from them the time of the   
   appearing   
   > > of the star [that is, how long the star had made itself visible since its   
   > > rising in the east].   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:8 Then he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, Go and search for the Child   
   > > carefully and diligently, and when you have found Him, bring me word, that   
   I   
   > > too may come and worship Him.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:9 When they had listened to the king, they went their way, and   
   behold,   
   > > the star which had been seen in the east in its rising went before them   
   > > until   
   > > it came and stood over the place where the young Child was.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:10 When they saw the star, they were thrilled with ecstatic joy.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:11 And on going into the house, they saw the Child with Mary His   
   > > mother, and they fell down and worshiped Him. Then opening their treasure   
   > > bags, they presented to Him gifts--gold and frankincense and myrrh.   
   > >   
   > > Mat 2:12 And receiving an answer to their asking, they were divinely   
   > > instructed and warned in a dream not to go back to Herod; so they departed   
   > > to   
   > > their own country by a different way.   
   > >   
   > > Notice, they were looking for the "Messiah" and all of Jerusalem was a buzz   
   > > about these things. Do you really feel they left, as pagans?   
   > >   
   > > Now then, being as you say you believe ALL the Bible, do you now believe   
   > > that   
   > > Jesus is the Christ?   
   >   
   > 1 + 1 = 2. I never doubted it. Jesus is the Son of God, and the   
   > Messiah, the Christ.   
      
   If that is the case then 5-10 years ago you were lying to everyone since you   
   and the JW's were utterly opposed to Jesus denying both his deity and   
   divinity. Even as I recall denying that Jesus rose from the dead.   
   >   
   >   
   > > God on earth a foretold and celebrated by all the   
   > > Heavenly Hosts on his Birth Day?   
   >   
   > Jesus was never Jehovah. They are two separate people each with his   
   > own will:   
      
   Jesus was always Jehovah, Yahweh.   
      
   Did Jesus lie about being creator? Did he lie about speaking to Abraham?   
      
   Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the   
   glory which I had with thee before the world was.   
      
   Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me   
   where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou   
   lovedst me before the foundation of the world.   
      
   “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.   
   Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou   
   seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before   
   Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid   
   himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so   
   passed by.” (Joh 8:56-59)   
      
   >   
   >   
   > -- New King James   
   > Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, remove this cup from   
   > Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.''   
   >   
   > Rejoice, you are learning Bible truths.   
      
   You are copying scripture that I have been pointing out to you that you have   
   yet to understand.   
      
   “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of   
   me.” (Joh 5:46)   
      
   You know him by his name, Yahweh.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   > How not to be a   
   > bad dad   
   > 6/18/23   
   > Go to jw.org   
      
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