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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Jun 23, 2023, tesla sTinker wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   > Leviticus   
   >   
   > 29 And this shall be to you an everlasting ordinance: The seventh month,   
   > the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and shall do   
   > no work, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that   
   > sojourneth among you. 30 Upon this day shall be the expiation for you,   
   > and the cleansing from all your sins: you shall be cleansed before the   
   > Lord. 31 For it is a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls   
   > by a perpetual religion. 32 And the priest that is anointed, and whose   
   > hands are consecrated to do the office of the priesthood in his father's   
   > stead, shall make atonement; and he shall be vested with the linen robe   
   > and the holy vestments, 33 And he shall expiate the sanctuary and the   
   > tabernacle of the testimony and the altar, the priest also and all the   
   > people 34 And this shall be an ordinance for ever, that you pray for the   
   > children of Israel, and for all their sins once in a year. He did   
   > therefore as the Lord had commanded Moses.   
   >   
   > See where it says forever. But you, being the protestant that you are,   
   > do not understand, the word confess, is in the Bible in many many places   
   > and there are precepts law, involved. Just cause it says to pray for   
   > the others, like in them confessing one to another, it has nothing to do   
   > with the priesthood. That is something your supposed to do anyway, even   
   > with the part of the law to the priesthood. YOU do both dummy no body.   
   > That is why, it is in the Bible old testament. Jesus did not annul   
   > that. You protestants do all that crap   
      
   When Christ died for sins, the Temple in Jerusalem was opened up in the Holy   
   of Holies as the spirit of God departed when the veil was ripped in half.   
   Jesus was THE Promised Sacrifice for Sin. Once, for all time. No more annual   
   sacrifice for sin that meant anything to God.   
      
   You err here because of your lack of understanding and knowledge.   
   >   
   >   
   > On 6/23/2023 1:46 PM, No one scribbled:   
   > > On Jun 23, 2023, servant wrote   
   > > (in article<6495d0a4$0$2245$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):   
   > >   
   > > > Friend james proposes a theory:>   
   > > >   
   > > > > No one went to a confessional by the first century Christians.   
   > > >   
   > > > Correct, one by one individuals stood before the congregation for public   
   > > > confession/absolution of their sins in the early church.   
   > >   
   > > No proof of that shown.   
   > > >   
   > > > How does the jw vatican prescribe practicing confession/absolution and on   
   > > > what authority?   
   > > >   
   > > > 1 John says all blievers sin and confession of the sin is the cure. He   
   > > > adds if someone says they do not sin; they are a liar.   
   > >   
   > > Confessing is not a cure. That is pretty obvious to everyone.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > As for who has the authority of absolution scripture declares:   
   > > >   
   > > > In the Gospel of John, Jesus says to the Apostles, after being raised   
   from   
   > > > the dead, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive, they are   
   > > > forgiven; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained".   
   > >   
   > > That verse is also out of character and out of place. since on its face a   
   > > person who was not Born Again could conceivably be forgiven against their   
   > > will, against Gods will, and whether or not the person actually asked for   
   > > it.   
   > > That is not in conformity with any other part of scripture, especially when   
   > > a   
   > > person sins against or blasphemes the Holy Spirit. The only possible other   
   > > explanation would be if a brother sinned agains them, could they forgive,   
   > > similar to Peter asking Jesus about how many times should he forgives   
   > > someone   
   > > who offends them.   
   > >   
   > > Nowhere in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles do we find any instance of   
   an   
   > > apostle remitting the sins of anyone. They do go everywhere, proclaiming   
   the   
   > > forgiveness of sins. Let me ask the question: What is it that forgives   
   sins?   
   > > Even God cannot just arbitrarily forgive sins. Forgiveness of sins is only   
   > > and alone through the blood of Jesus Christ. Back in the Old Testament, the   
   > > forgiveness of sins was based on the fact that Christ would come and die.   
   > > God   
   > > saved “on credit†in the Old Testament until Christ would come   
   and   
   > > pay the penalty. Today God forgives our sins when we believe that Christ   
   > > died   
   > > for them.   
   > >   
   > > Also, there is a lame argument that people such as you use, in that this   
   was   
   > > spoken by the Lord to the Apostles. Your argument would then typically   
   claim   
   > > that it was to them alone and no one else. You all have used that argument   
   > > many times for other similar points.   
   > >   
   > > So which is it?   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > In the line of apostolic succession and for the church established by   
   > > > Christ; a priest as the srvant and on behalf of his bishop can excersize   
   > > > that authority.   
   > >   
   > > This was not assigned to a position of leadership. Specific or otherwise.   
   > > There is NO "line of apostolic succession". That is totally unscriptural.   
   No   
   > > priest could ever forgive sins against God, not in the Old Testament, or   
   the   
   > > New.   
   > >   
   > > Mar 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to   
   > > forgivesins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)   
   > >   
   > > Jas 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him   
   > > sing   
   > > psalms.   
   > >   
   > > Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church;   
   > > and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:   
   > >   
   > > Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall   
   > > raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.   
   > >   
   > > Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that   
   > > ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth   
   > > much.   
   > >   
   > > Notice who it is that forgives here, it is the Lord.   
   > >   
   > > Any man can forgive those that sin against them, "Let it not be held   
   against   
   > > them", we are commanded to forgive those who sin against us.   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > That doctrine includes the lutheran and anglican churchs among   
   protestants.   
   > > > Other protestants have a general confession/absolution, ie. it is done by   
   > > > the congregation as a whole in the presence of the pastor.   
   > >   
   > > Then show examples of that, and also show scriptural support for such a   
   > > thing   
   > > as you describe.   
      
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