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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Jul 5, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<8hmaaip9hav66ndvdpccdfrs7a75b8qlqe@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 08:45:40 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 1, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 18:04:01 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Jun 28, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article<4m9p9i9jfgmsp1igvqrat1dlcjc0fgvt10@4ax.com>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > The apostles were a special group of people existing only in the   
   first   
   > > > > > century and with Jesus. Jesus is not like that around today, and   
   there   
   > > > > > was no extending on with apostleship into our century. Thus the   
   > > > > > priests DO NOT have Biblical permission to forgive sins. That is left   
   > > > > > up to Jesus and Almighty God.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,   
   > > > > evangelists;   
   > > > > and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for   
   the   
   > > > > work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we   
   all   
   > > > > come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,   
   > > > > unto   
   > > > > a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of   
   > > > > Christ:†  
   > > > > (Eph 4:11-13)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > God deleted no ministry positions.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Your JW doctrine is not to be found in the Bible on this issue.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes Jesus in the first century gave those men. But that was meant for   
   > > > the first century.   
   > >   
   > > Then why is it that you can show no proof of that?   
   >   
   > But you can't show me where it IS a Bible doctrine that is supposed to   
   > be perpetual.   
      
   I already did, had you paid attention to what was written in this thread.   
      
   It is found in Eph 4:11-13 which stated, 'Till we all come in the unity of   
   the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,'   
      
   Have we all arrived there yet?   
      
   > You believe Jesus don't you? He said:   
   >   
   > 6. "But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have   
   > shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and   
   > your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.   
   > 7. "But when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen   
   > do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.   
   > 8. "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things   
   > you have need of before you ask Him.   
   > 9. "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed   
   > be Your name.   
   > 10. Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in   
   > heaven.   
   > 11. Give us this day our daily bread.   
   > 12. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.   
   >   
   > Did you hear anything by Jesus about a 'confessional'?   
      
   I never defended any confessional, so why bring that up. The verses you   
   brought up are out of place in the context of this thread. A non-sequitur.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Are all religions "unity in the faith"? Not even close. There is   
   > > > bickering in most, except JW's.We have unity in the faith. You can go   
   > > > to any land that has JW's, and you will find complete unity, just like   
   > > > the Bible says.   
   > >   
   > > Odd, you condemn others for doing the same thing you just did.   
   >   
   > I can't judge others. Only God and Jesus can do that.   
      
   Since you are neither one, why did you condemn others for doing what you just   
   did?   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > The RCC can claim what you just did, so can the Greek Orthodox, or the   
   > > Baptist (in their many configurations) or the Presbyterians, the Amish,   
   etc.   
   > > etc. etc.   
   >   
   > Claim what?   
      
   What you claimed, can you not read your own words?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > You are just one of the crowd, "all religions would include the Hindu, the   
   > > Buddhist, Islam, etc. That is what religions do, the hardest core amongst   
   > > them are the Cults like the JW and the Mormon.   
   >   
   > JW a modern day cult? Do we all live together someplace?   
   > No, we are scattered through out the earth.   
      
   So are the Moonies, the Mormons, and many other cults. So?   
   >   
   >   
   > Do we have a human evangelical leader who is very persuasive?   
   > No, our leaders our God and Jesus.   
      
   Then why do you play 'follow the leader' with your teachings fed to you from   
   the org.?   
      
   This week they say believe this, as it is the new truth, and discard the old   
   truth, next month there is a different revealed truth, you do as they say,   
   they teach, OR you are shunned.   
   >   
   >   
   > Do we give all our moneys to the cult?   
   > No, we have to live like anyone else.   
      
   Same as other cults. Yet you have your communes like they do, where people   
   work for the org.   
   >   
   >   
   > Do we stock all kinds of war weapons?   
   > No, JW's generally don't even have a gun in their houses.   
      
   Generally? That being so you cannot say "No". VBG   
   >   
   >   
   > Does a evangelical human give sermons all day long?   
      
   Who does that?   
   >   
   > No, we have the Bibles arrangement. The apostle Paul talked about it   
   > at   
   > 1 Timothy. We holds meetings to always discuss God's word. (2 Tim   
   > 3:16).   
   >   
   > Our we prepared to die if that human leader says so?   
   > No way hose, The Bible does not promote mass suicides.   
   >   
   > So if you want to call JW's a cult, I can't stop you. But we don't   
   > have the signs of a modeern-day cult.   
      
   You have all the signs of one, that you do not do as some does not exclude   
   you, Not all cults do as you described above, that, however, does not   
   preclude any from being a cult, and that includes the JW.   
      
   It is not a definition of my origination, it has been established since the   
   beginning by those that follow false prophets, etc.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > You have no unity in the faith of Christ, only in the faith of your   
   > > religion,   
   > > there is a huge difference.   
   >   
   > CHRIST IS OUR RELIGION. (along with God)   
   >   
   > If you want to go back to the 18th century, be my guest. But we have   
   > greatly improved out Bible doctrines since then. (Pr 4:1   
      
   Thank you for admitting that the JW's always change and are in a state of   
   flux as I described above. By changing your doctrines.   
      
   God changes not. His word changes not. Christ is NOT a religion. Neither is   
   Jesus.   
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   Jesus IS the way, not JW's.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)