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   >>>We noted that bethel, the name of the various jw vatican monastery's, was   
   >>>inthe bible a name ffor a place of golden calf worship.   
   >>   
   >>Like all geography, people died, people practiced false religion   
   >>>   
   >>>Friend james took exception saing there were no monastery's with vows of   
   >>>poverty;   
   >   
   >You don't need to lie about it. I don't know one way or the other. And   
   >I frankly don't care about the past.   
      
   Bingo, I take that as confirmation, including below:   
      
   >> alas he like most jw vaticanfollowers is kept ignornt on many many   
   >>>such topics.   
   >   
   >And you know all the goings on at the headquarters of your church?   
      
   Irrelevant, the info provided you is not a trivial matter.  If the jw   
   vatican came across similar about another group it would be trumpeded as   
   evidence of a pagan connection, no?   
   >   
   >   
   >> > Here a part of a scanned documents sent to the monks/nuns at   
   >>>u.s. bethel monastery because of a change in the name of the "order" to   
   >>>which the monks/nums took the following vows, easily found on the web by   
   >>>its title:   
   >>>   
   >>>Bethel "Vow of Poverty"   
   >>>   
   >>>VOW OF OBEDIENCE AND POVERTY to the ORDER OF SPECIAL FULL-TIME SERVANTS OF   
   >>>JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES   
   >>   
   >>What jw publication said that?   
   >   
   >No answer? Then how am I to verify your claims.?   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>       As an ordained minister, wholly dedicated to Jehovah God. I hereby   
   >>>express my solemn desire to be recognized as a member of the worldwide   
   >>>Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah's Witnesses ("the Order"). I   
   >>>vow as follows:   
   >>>   
   >>>       1. While a member of the Order, to live the simple, nonmaterialistic   
   >>>life-style that has traditionally existed for members of the Order;   
   >>>       2. In the spirit of the inspired words of the prophet Isaiah (Isaiah   
   >>>6:8) and the prophetic expression of the psalmist (Psalm 110:3), to   
   >>>volunteer   
   >>>       my services to do whatever is assigned to me in the advancement of   
   >>>Kingdom interests wherever I am assigned by the Order;   
   >>>       3. To be submissive to the theocratic arrangement for members of the   
   >>>Order (Hebrews 13:17);   
   >>>       4. To devote my best full-time efforts to my assignment;   
   >>>       5. To abstain from secular employment without permission from the   
   >>>Order;   
   >>>       6. To turn over to the local organization of the Order all income   
   >>>received from any work or personal efforts in excess of my necessary living   
   >>>       expenses, unless released from this vow by the Order;   
   >>>       7. To accept such provisions for members of the Order (be they   
   >>>meals, lodging, expense reimbursements, or others) as are made in the   
   >>>country where   
   >>>       I serve. regardless of the level of my responsibility or the value   
   >>>of my services;   
   >>>       8. To be content and satisfied with the modest support that I   
   >>>receive from the Order as long as I am privileged to serve in the Order and   
   >>>not to   
   >>>       expect any further remuneration should I choose to leave the Order   
   >>>or should the Order determine that I no longer qualify to serve in the   
   >>>Order   
   >>>       (Matthew 6:30-33: 1 Timothy 6:6-8; Hebrews 13:5);   
   >>>       9. To abide by the principles set out in God's inspired Word, the   
   >>>Bible. in publications of Jehovah's Witnesses. and in policies dispensed by   
   >>>the   
   >>>       Order, and to follow the directions of the Governing Body of   
   >>>Jehovah's Witnesses; and   
   >>>       10. To accept readily any decision made by the Order regarding my   
   >>>membership status.   
   >>   
   >>Again, show me in the JW literature those words.   
   >   
   >You can't, can you. How much of your claims are bogus?   
      
   Smile, the above and more was directly from the jw vatican, as already   
   mentioned; as a "scan" of a document spread to bethel monks/nuns for their   
   signature for the new version of their vows.  Of course it would not appear   
   in jw vatican "litature as your response confirms"   
      
   Gosh, we really hit a sore spot of how , jw vatican folowers are kept in   
   the dark and subject to a red face, no?,   
      
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