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   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
   > concerning the 'Magi"   
      
   >> you do know, of course, that there were a large number of Jews who   
   >> stayed in Babylonia and Persia after the displacement in the 500s b.c.   
   >> who never returned to Judea and some are there to this day.   
      
   >> Daniel even wrote a piece on the coming Messiah, didn't he?   
      
   > so look, Jews in Babylon and Persia who have been there since ~586 BC   
   > have Daniel's timeline in hand, and they use the predictable nature   
   > of the placement of Stars in the sky as a clock of sorts and wait for a   
   > particular configuration to signal the time of Daniel's forecast   
   >   of some great event.   
      
   > remember, Babylon killed all the male members of   
   > the Royal House of David, but there were some girls   
   > who survived and the lineage was preserved,   
   > and Jesus was part of that lineage   
      
   > etc. etc etc....   
      
   > it may be some other strange coincidence that this   
   > predicatble configuration just happens to show   
   > something like Jupiter in Virgo   
      
   > where Melchi is Jupiter,,,   
      
   > after    all  God -says- this;   
      
   > ===   
   > Genesis 1;14   
      
   > And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven,   
   > to divide the day and the night,   
      
   > and let them be for signs, and for appointed times,   
      
   > and for days and years:   
   > ===   
      
   > one of the functions you can get from stars   
   > is  the identification of    "signs and appointed times..."   
      
   > etc etc etc.   
      
   > we just don't live in a clockwork pre-determined   
   > universe where all things are set in stone from   
   >   before the beginning.   
      
   > so-called "determinism" but that's another story...   
      
      
   one thing is, that God is not a clockwork fully PREDICTABLE thing.   
      
   No, God acts when God feels like acting and not as forced in to action   
      
     by ANY Thing else.   
      
      
   so, like, God can reveal or Tell /you/ when God is going to act ,   
      
   and THEN, actually Be There to carry out these actions when the Time comes.   
      
   even if that TIME is many generations of mortal human beings.   
      
   a human being cannot be 100% certain that they will be   
   there to complete it's actions, but it can come close at times.   
   if you plant seeds, you can predict a crop of corn...usually.   
      
   so, that's why God doesn't want people to look at stars   
   like they are predicting a 100% already played out future,   
   cuz it will lead you further -away- from the nature of actual True God.   
      
      
   not because the predictable nature of the stars -don't-   
   make a dandy Clock to set your watch by.   
      
      
   it's not "stars are evil"   
      
      
   it's    "God is free and acts according to God's own /pleasure/"   
      
      
   God is Not forced into action      BY The Stars.   
      
      
   and neither should YOU be so forced in to action.   
      
      
   if that clears anything up...at all...   
      
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