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   From: tiller@soil.org.9   
      
   On 7/10/23 3:39 PM, Georg Tillerman wrote:   
      
   > On 7/9/23 10:54 AM, James wrote:   
      
   >> ++the CROSS++A pagan symbol   
      
   >> Yes, many think Jesus died on a cross because of how Bibles translate   
   >> that Greek word, "stauros". An example is found at John 19:25,   
      
   > i just have one question for you;   
      
   > what did it look like?   
      
   > i mean, according to you, was Jesus tied to a fence post   
   > with  his arms behind his back and his feet on the ground   
   > and nails in him of course?   
      
   > was he off the ground?   
      
      
   the reason i ask is because of the sheer efficiency of it,   
   and the Romans, if nothing else, were efficient executioners,   
      
   and to -me- it seems very inefficient to get a man   
   up in the air strapped to a fence post,   
      
   and that's where the cross beam comes in,   
      
   you first strap the man to the crossbeam,   
   then you lead him -to- the fence post   
   and then lift him up -by- the crossbeam   
   and drop him -on- the fence post.   
      
   just fixing him to a fence post is   
   a lot of trouble and inefficient.   
      
   IF you wanna get him up in the air   
   where everybody can get a good look at him.   
      
   and up in the air, nailed to a crossbeam   
   is more excruciating and you have trouble breathing.   
      
   just cuz it says "stauros" doesn't mean there was no crossbeam.   
      
      
      
   no one is trying to force you to wear it around your neck.   
      
      
   but that another thing, the fence post part is usually -fixed- in place   
      
   and "carrying a cross"  only makes sense if you -carry- it,   
      
   and you only =carry= it, if you carry the crossbeam part   
      
   -to- the fencepost part.   
      
      
   very efficient...also...   
      
      
   i mean, if you just stuck somebody on a loose fence post   
      
   they could try to run away.   
      
      
   and the executioners would make a better killing apparatus that held you   
   in place.   
      
   and the two part mobile cross beam and fixed fence post does just that.   
      
   that's all,   
      
      
      
   what does -yours- Look like?   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
   > you could easily say;   
      
   > "Jesus was put to death in a heathen manner therefore   
   > no christian believer should commemorate it"   
      
   > but you don't say that, do you?   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)