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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Jul 24, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<2f9tbihs5h12mripjgc2knrtfm7o16udg3@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:47:36 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On May 25, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > Jesus' second coming. Visible?   
   > >   
   > > First you need to establish what his coming is. You haven't.   
   > > Secondly he has already returned to earth the same day after he arose from   
   > > the grave.   
   > >   
   > > Therefore you need to establish what was the first, second, third, fourth,   
   > > etc, So far you have not.   
   > >   
   > > Then you need to establish with what they see? The eyes of their flesh, the   
   > > eyes of their spirits, of both sets of eyes. So far you have not.   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, they say. And here is their proof.   
   > >   
   > > Who is "they" and if more than one group then say so, as well as explain   
   > > their differences.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye   
   > > > will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth   
   > > > will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.   
   > >   
   > > Which time/period is this? You have not established that either.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > The book of Revelation contains the most symbolism of any Bible book.   
   > > > It has dragons, and beasts with crowns on their multi heads, and a   
   > > > lake that is on fire, etc, etc.   
   > >   
   > > And the scripture defines itself, why haven't you seen the understanding?   
   > > > So what kind of Rev "eye" is seeing   
   > > > him? Let's first look at the first part of Rev 1:7:   
   > > >   
   > > > "he is coming with the clouds". It doesn't say he is coming in clear   
   > > > blue skies, but rather with "clouds". If you see an airplane high in   
   > > > the air, and it goes into the clouds, what happens? Yes, it no longer   
   > > > becomes visible. The same would happen to Jesus, implying   
   > > > invisibility.   
   > >   
   > > "Every eye will see him"? Now you are stating that you do not believe that   
   > > statement of God? Explain.   
   > > > But there is more.   
   > > >   
   > > > The much less symbolic book of John says:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but   
   > > > you will see me; because I live, you will live also. Yes, Jesus is   
   > > > going to Heaven and so is his apostle, so they will literally see him.   
   > >   
   > > In that verse it made no mention of the Apostles going to heaven to see   
   > > Jesus.   
   > > You have said time and time again that Jesus is a spirit, so how then can   
   > > one   
   > > see Him?   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > What? The world won't literally SEE him anymore? Then what does Rev   
   > > > 1:7 mean? It means their mind's 'eye'. When Jesus takes over the   
   > > > earth, everyone will know it, even though no one can literally see   
   > > > him. They will know by his works.(remember, Revelation is loaded with   
   > > > symbolism)   
   > >   
   > > Hmmm, and now you have added yet another eye, the "minds eye", proof?   
   > >   
   > > You have as yet not established the period of time that rev 1:7 is speaking   
   > > of. Why not? So that you can talk in circles when you mess up?   
   > >   
   > > When does Jesus "take over the earth" Which one?   
   > > Now you say no one will see him. Proof? And specified time period?   
   > >   
   > > What works are you speaking of?   
   > >   
   > > Why is it that you seek to be an author of confusion? You say you believe   
   > > every word, then you don't and you question it even using scripture to   
   > > counter itself. God is not the author of confusion.   
   > >   
   > > Show us that you know and understand. I asked you questions, and each one   
   is   
   > > answerable in scripture. Not one opposes itself as you claim. You state   
   over   
   > > and over again that you believe every word of it, yet you say it opposes   
   > > itself. What gives?   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Sincerely James   
   > >   
   > > Here is your chance to answer what you were asked. Each and everyone as you   
   > > were the one who brought up the subjects.   
   >   
   > You have been dancing all around the subject. Jesus made his statement   
   > simple for anyone to understand: Before he went to Heaven he said:   
   >   
   > - New Revised Standard with Apocrypha   
   > John 14:19 In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you   
   > will see me; because I live, you also will live.   
   >   
   > To repeat:   
   >   
   > "In a little while the world will no longer see me,"   
   >   
   > That means in his second coming, HE WILL NOT BE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE IN   
   > THIS WORLD.   
      
   No it does not. It means the people of this world, but the believers will see   
   him they are not of this world.   
      
   The word of God says to always look up and watch for his coming in the   
   clouds, not you, only the ones who have been born again.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > Now either you believe Jesus or not. It's your choice.   
      
   You know I believe him, Him who you deny as God.   
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)