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   On Jul 25, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:04:54 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 24, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<2f9tbihs5h12mripjgc2knrtfm7o16udg3@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:47:36 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On May 25, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > Jesus' second coming. Visible?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > First you need to establish what his coming is. You haven't.   
   > > > > Secondly he has already returned to earth the same day after he arose   
   from   
   > > > > the grave.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Therefore you need to establish what was the first, second, third,   
   fourth,   
   > > > > etc, So far you have not.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Then you need to establish with what they see? The eyes of their flesh,   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > eyes of their spirits, of both sets of eyes. So far you have not.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, they say. And here is their proof.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Who is "they" and if more than one group then say so, as well as   
   explain   
   > > > > their differences.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > > > Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye   
   > > > > > will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth   
   > > > > > will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Which time/period is this? You have not established that either.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The book of Revelation contains the most symbolism of any Bible book.   
   > > > > > It has dragons, and beasts with crowns on their multi heads, and a   
   > > > > > lake that is on fire, etc, etc.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And the scripture defines itself, why haven't you seen the   
   understanding?   
   > > > > > So what kind of Rev "eye" is seeing   
   > > > > > him? Let's first look at the first part of Rev 1:7:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > "he is coming with the clouds". It doesn't say he is coming in clear   
   > > > > > blue skies, but rather with "clouds". If you see an airplane high in   
   > > > > > the air, and it goes into the clouds, what happens? Yes, it no longer   
   > > > > > becomes visible. The same would happen to Jesus, implying   
   > > > > > invisibility.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > "Every eye will see him"? Now you are stating that you do not believe   
   that   
   > > > > statement of God? Explain.   
   > > > > > But there is more.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The much less symbolic book of John says:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > > > John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but   
   > > > > > you will see me; because I live, you will live also. Yes, Jesus is   
   > > > > > going to Heaven and so is his apostle, so they will literally see   
   him.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > In that verse it made no mention of the Apostles going to heaven to see   
   > > > > Jesus.   
   > > > > You have said time and time again that Jesus is a spirit, so how then   
   can   
   > > > > one   
   > > > > see Him?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What? The world won't literally SEE him anymore? Then what does Rev   
   > > > > > 1:7 mean? It means their mind's 'eye'. When Jesus takes over the   
   > > > > > earth, everyone will know it, even though no one can literally see   
   > > > > > him. They will know by his works.(remember, Revelation is loaded with   
   > > > > > symbolism)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Hmmm, and now you have added yet another eye, the "minds eye", proof?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You have as yet not established the period of time that rev 1:7 is   
   > > > > speaking   
   > > > > of. Why not? So that you can talk in circles when you mess up?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > When does Jesus "take over the earth" Which one?   
   > > > > Now you say no one will see him. Proof? And specified time period?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > What works are you speaking of?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Why is it that you seek to be an author of confusion? You say you   
   believe   
   > > > > every word, then you don't and you question it even using scripture to   
   > > > > counter itself. God is not the author of confusion.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Show us that you know and understand. I asked you questions, and each   
   one   
   > > > > is   
   > > > > answerable in scripture. Not one opposes itself as you claim. You state   
   > > > > over   
   > > > > and over again that you believe every word of it, yet you say it   
   opposes   
   > > > > itself. What gives?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Here is your chance to answer what you were asked. Each and everyone as   
   > > > > you   
   > > > > were the one who brought up the subjects.   
   > > >   
   > > > You have been dancing all around the subject. Jesus made his statement   
   > > > simple for anyone to understand: Before he went to Heaven he said:   
   > > >   
   > > > - New Revised Standard with Apocrypha   
   > > > John 14:19 In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you   
   > > > will see me; because I live, you also will live.   
   > > >   
   > > > To repeat:   
   > > >   
   > > > "In a little while the world will no longer see me,"   
   > > >   
   > > > That means in his second coming, HE WILL NOT BE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE IN   
   > > > THIS WORLD.   
   > >   
   > > No it does not. It means the people of this world, but the believers will   
   > > see   
   > > him they are not of this world.   
   >   
   > There you go again.To call Jesus God, is setting you up for more   
   > .Bible contradictions.The Bible tells us that no human can see God and   
   > live to tell about it.   
   >   
   > (Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can   
   > see me and live.”   
      
   It says clearly, "You cannot see my face". Plus Moses asked to see him in all   
   his Glory.   
   So not only do you take things purposely out of context, but you also use   
   deception to apply it across the board.   
      
   The context of that scripture is,...   
      
   Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou   
   hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.   
      
   Exo 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.   
      
   Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I   
   will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom   
   I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.   
      
   Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see   
   me, and live.   
      
   Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt   
   stand upon a rock:   
      
   Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will   
   put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I   
   pass by:   
      
   Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts:   
   but my face shall not be seen.   
      
      
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