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   On Jul 31, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:55:51 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 26, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:04:55 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Jul 24, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:57:56 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article<3cbqbi91db941p0pek6b245htvrbf684sn@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > James replying to another   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Yes, God created Jesus as a "unique kind".   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the   
   firstborn   
   > > > > > > > of all creation;   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every   
   > > > > > > creature:”   
   > > > > > > (Col 1:15)   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:   
   old   
   > > > > > > things   
   > > > > > > are passed away; behold, all things are become new.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any   
   thing,   
   > > > > > > nor   
   > > > > > > uncircumcision, but a new creature.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > You should be able to see here that a firstborn is a creature, not   
   a   
   > > > > > > creation. Living beings are creatures.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > The verse you quoted says that Jesus the Messiah is the first of   
   all   
   > > > > > > creation, which would mean that before Heaven and the shapeless   
   blob   
   > > > > > > were   
   > > > > > > created, Jesus was.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Completely correct.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And therefore Jehovah, the creator.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > And the Bible clearly states that Men were created as a   
   > > > > > > creature. That Adam was the First man. A living creature.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Gen 2:7,   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > - American Standard   
   > > > > > Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and   
   > > > > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a   
   living   
   > > > > > soul.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, when Adam became alive, he BECAME a soul, wasn't given one.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > God breathed it in to him, thus it was a gift of God. Otherwise he   
   would   
   > > > > have   
   > > > > been nothing more than a mud statue of God.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- Living Bible   
   > > > > > Genesis 2:7 The time came when the Lord God formed a man's body from   
   > > > > > the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And   
   > > > > > man became a living person.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > > > Genesis 2:7 then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and   
   > > > > > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a   
   living   
   > > > > > being.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Look at the context. It is discussing things that are CREATED.   
   And   
   > > > > > > > Jesus was the first..   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > See that devious little twist, a symbol of things satanic? "Jesus   
   was   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > first"? When it clearly states "Firstborn" Then, here to is the   
   kicker,   
   > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > destroys the JW doctrines. Which even you alluded to as the   
   supporting   
   > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > defining contextual verses surround it.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, Jesus was the first. As this Scripture also says:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > - American Standard   
   > > > > > Revelation 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:   
   > > > > > These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the   
   > > > > > beginning of the creation of God:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Meaning that Jehovah/Jesus said it, spoke it into existence. Thus the   
   > > > > beginning of the creation that we know and are a part of.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and   
   that are   
   > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or   
   dominions, or   
   > > > > > > principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for   
   > > > > > > him:”   
   > > > > > > (Col 1:16)   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Thus here is the direct reference to Jehovah, "for by him were all   
   > > > > > > things   
   > > > > > > created".   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > And to drive the nail in the coffin of the JW's the distinction   
   between   
   > > > > > > Jehovah/Jesus is made in the verses following.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Col 1:17-19   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the   
   beginning, the   
   > > > > > > firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the   
   > > > > > > preeminence.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Yes, there it is, clearly and plainly Spoken. Jesus/Jehovah is him   
   in   
   > > > > > > whom   
   > > > > > > all fulness dwells.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Thus the doctrines of the JW are shown to be false, based on false   
   > > > > > > premises,   
   > > > > > > and also shows that Satan by the spirit of the antichrist uses   
   > > > > > > scripture,   
   > > > > > > the Word of God, today as he did in the garden of Eden before Eve.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The Scriptures are plain and simple. Jesus was the first of God's   
   > > > > > creations. If you don't want to go by the Bible, that is up to you.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Your twisted version does not define truth, for it is not the word of   
   God   
   > > >   
   > > > Which version? I quoted 3 of them. Revised Standard, American   
   > > > standard, and the Living Bible.If I could remember your version, I   
   > > > would quote it.   
   > >   
   > > Your twisted version is the NWT   
   >   
   > I keep asking for proof to back up opinions, but no one wants to do   
   > it. If the NWT is so twisted, then it shouldn't be hard to prove it.   
      
   I showed you scripture here regarding to all. Scripture you did not refute,   
   but neither did you discuss any of it, much less ponder any of it.   
      
   You ignored it all in order to project a lie. If the fullness of God was in   
   Christ Jesus, then how could he be inferior? A term you persist in using in   
   order to belittle Jesus Christ. Jesus who is the Word made flesh.   
      
   Oh and I had to giggle at the NWT and their hierarchy of relationships who   
   kicked the family out of the scripture stopping at the man. Was that so the   
   man could not claim their wives or children were inferior to them?   
      
      
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