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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Aug 5, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:57:56 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Jul 23, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<3cbqbi91db941p0pek6b245htvrbf684sn@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > James replying to another   
   > >   
   > > > Yes, God created Jesus as a "unique kind".   
   > > >   
   > > > (Colossians 1:15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn   
   > > > of all creation;   
   > >   
   > > “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every   
   > > creature:”   
   > > (Col 1:15)   
   > >   
   > > 2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old   
   things   
   > > are passed away; behold, all things are become new.   
   > >   
   > > Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor   
   > > uncircumcision, but a new creature.   
   > >   
   > > You should be able to see here that a firstborn is a creature, not a   
   > > creation. Living beings are creatures.   
   > >   
   > > The verse you quoted says that Jesus the Messiah is the first of all   
   > > creation, which would mean that before Heaven and the shapeless blob were   
   > > created, Jesus was. And the Bible clearly states that Men were created as a   
   > > creature. That Adam was the First man. A living creature.   
   >   
   > Actually that "creature" is a soul. Look up the Greek words and you   
   > will see that "creature" is "nephesh" or soul.   
      
   ktisis   
      
   ktis'-is   
      
   From G2936; original formation (properly the act; by implication the thing,   
   literally or figuratively): - building, creation, creature, ordinance.   
      
   Not the verse you mentioned see the above.   
      
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Look at the context. It is discussing things that are CREATED. And   
   > > > Jesus was the first..   
   > >   
   > > See that devious little twist, a symbol of things satanic? "Jesus was the   
   > > first"? When it clearly states "Firstborn" Then, here to is the kicker,   
   that   
   > > destroys the JW doctrines. Which even you alluded to as the supporting and   
   > > defining contextual verses surround it.   
   >   
   > Yes, Jesus was the "firstborn" of all of God's creation.   
   > >   
   > > “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in   
   > > earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or   
   > > principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”   
   > > (Col 1:16)   
   >   
   > Yes, Like a loving Father, God used Jesus in someway to do all of   
   > God's other creations. As this Scripture puts it:   
   >   
   > -- Revised Standard   
   > Revelation 3:14 "And to the angel of the church in La-odicea write:   
   > 'The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning   
   > of God's creation.   
      
   “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things   
   saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation   
   of God;” (Rev 3:14)   
      
   The Lord rebuke you deceptive one.   
      
   >   
   > > Thus here is the direct reference to Jehovah, "for by him were all things   
   > > created".   
   >   
   > Negatrons. That Scripture is talking about Jesus. Like vs 18 says,   
      
   Nope, Jesus os Jehovah and you cannot show otherwise. V18 has no bearing on   
   the issue.   
   >   
   >   
   > "18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the   
   > beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the   
   > one who is first in all things;"   
   >   
   > >   
   > > And to drive the nail in the coffin of the JW's the distinction between   
   > > Jehovah/Jesus is made in the verses following.   
   > >   
   > > Col 1:17-19   
   > >   
   > > 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.   
   > >   
   > > 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the   
   > > firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.   
   > >   
   > > 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;   
   > >   
   > > Yes, there it is, clearly and plainly Spoken. Jesus/Jehovah is him in whom   
   > > all fulness dwells.   
   >   
   > That is talking about Jesus, and Jesus is full spiritually.   
      
   Cat got your tongue, eh?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Thus the doctrines of the JW are shown to be false, based on false   
   premises,   
   >   
   > Not in the least. They speak of the Scriptures truthfully.   
      
   You have shown in this post that is not true, they search all the versions of   
   the bibles, a few they had a hand in messing with the scripture, you you just   
   love pointing to those scriptures to make your point, knowing that they err.   
   >   
   >   
   > > and also shows that Satan by the spirit of the antichrist uses scripture,   
   > > the Word of God, today as he did in the garden of Eden before Eve.   
   >   
   > You don't know the half of it.   
      
   Might be, but what I do know is of God the Father by His spirit. I know the   
   sin of the JW funds deep, they have been deceived through people such as   
   yourself. For which you will be held accountable unless you repent and turn   
   your life over to Jesus.   
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)