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From: none@none.con
On Aug 15, 2023, James wrote
(in article<138ndi1glntpfvtfmfos7madl67go5jh9s@4ax.com>):
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 00:23:28 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Jun 23, 2023, tesla sTinker wrote
> > (in article ):
> >
> > > Leviticus
> > >
> > > 29 And this shall be to you an everlasting ordinance: The seventh month,
> > > the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and shall do
> > > no work, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that
> > > sojourneth among you. 30 Upon this day shall be the expiation for you,
> > > and the cleansing from all your sins: you shall be cleansed before the
> > > Lord. 31 For it is a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls
> > > by a perpetual religion. 32 And the priest that is anointed, and whose
> > > hands are consecrated to do the office of the priesthood in his father's
> > > stead, shall make atonement; and he shall be vested with the linen robe
> > > and the holy vestments, 33 And he shall expiate the sanctuary and the
> > > tabernacle of the testimony and the altar, the priest also and all the
> > > people 34 And this shall be an ordinance for ever, that you pray for the
> > > children of Israel, and for all their sins once in a year. He did
> > > therefore as the Lord had commanded Moses.
> > >
> > > See where it says forever. But you, being the protestant that you are,
> > > do not understand, the word confess, is in the Bible in many many places
> > > and there are precepts law, involved. Just cause it says to pray for
> > > the others, like in them confessing one to another, it has nothing to do
> > > with the priesthood. That is something your supposed to do anyway, even
> > > with the part of the law to the priesthood. YOU do both dummy no body.
> > > That is why, it is in the Bible old testament. Jesus did not annul
> > > that. You protestants do all that crap
> >
> > When Christ died for sins, the Temple in Jerusalem was opened up in the
Holy
> > of Holies as the spirit of God departed when the veil was ripped in half.
> > Jesus was THE Promised Sacrifice for Sin. Once, for all time. No more
annual
> > sacrifice for sin that meant anything to God.
> >
> > You err here because of your lack of understanding and knowledge.
>
> Well, consider this.Yes Jesus died for our sins, but God never died,
> ever.So, Jesus cannot be God. (Ps 90:2)
“Hereby perceive we the loveof God, because he laid down his life for us:
and we ought to lay downour lives for the brethren.” (1Jn 3:16)
“Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have
power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment
have I received of my Father.” (Joh 10:17-18)
While Jesus laid down his life for the sins of mankind, he did not use the
option given him by his Father to pick it back up, rather he waited until his
Father was satisfied that he had paid for every last sinner and then some,
and His Father resurrected him.
We've been over this countless times, and you have yet to allow the truth of
God as written in the above scriptures to permeate your being.
What you do by erring so badly, is to totally negate the salvation of man
through Jesus the Messiah, by claiming he did not die, therefore since only
God can forgive us of our sins, you state his death was that of worthless man
you thereby render his Gospel message null and void, that the kingdom of God
as described by Jesus is fraudulent and therefore Judaism is the only correct
religion to follow as it was established by God.
Therefore your entire cult from its inception has been false and is just
another wannabe cult. So you may as well formulate your brand of JJ's
kool-aid and all have one last celebration as there is no future for any of
you, including your brand of the 144K
You want reasoning? You just got it.
>
> > >
> > > On 6/23/2023 1:46 PM, No one scribbled:
> > > > On Jun 23, 2023, servant wrote
> > > > (in article<6495d0a4$0$2245$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
> > > >
> > > > > Friend james proposes a theory:>
> > > > >
> > > > > > No one went to a confessional by the first century Christians.
> > > > >
> > > > > Correct, one by one individuals stood before the congregation for
public
> > > > > confession/absolution of their sins in the early church.
> > > >
> > > > No proof of that shown.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does the jw vatican prescribe practicing confession/absolution
and on
> > > > > what authority?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 John says all blievers sin and confession of the sin is the cure.
He
> > > > > adds if someone says they do not sin; they are a liar.
> > > >
> > > > Confessing is not a cure. That is pretty obvious to everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As for who has the authority of absolution scripture declares:
> > > > >
> > > > > In the Gospel of John, Jesus says to the Apostles, after being raised
> > > > > from
> > > > > the dead, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive, they are
> > > > > forgiven; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained".
> > > >
> > > > That verse is also out of character and out of place. since on its
face a
> > > > person who was not Born Again could conceivably be forgiven against
their
> > > > will, against Gods will, and whether or not the person actually asked
for
> > > > it.
> > > > That is not in conformity with any other part of scripture, especially
> > > > when
> > > > a
> > > > person sins against or blasphemes the Holy Spirit. The only possible
other
> > > > explanation would be if a brother sinned agains them, could they
forgive,
> > > > similar to Peter asking Jesus about how many times should he forgives
> > > > someone
> > > > who offends them.
> > > >
> > > > Nowhere in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles do we find any instance
of
> > > > an
> > > > apostle remitting the sins of anyone. They do go everywhere,
proclaiming
> > > > the
> > > > forgiveness of sins. Let me ask the question: What is it that forgives
> > > > sins?
> > > > Even God cannot just arbitrarily forgive sins. Forgiveness of sins is
only
> > > > and alone through the blood of Jesus Christ. Back in the Old Testament,
> > > > the
> > > > forgiveness of sins was based on the fact that Christ would come and
die.
> > > > God
> > > > saved “on credit†in the Old Testament until Christ would
come
> > > > and
> > > > pay the penalty. Today God forgives our sins when we believe that
Christ
> > > > died
> > > > for them.
> > > >
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