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   It is better to be in the truth then swallow a lie.  The lie doesn't enter the   
   truth by repeating it.   
      
   The jw vatican made a series of failed false predictions on the 2nd coming;   
   1914 was one.  The lie was then pronounced after the failiure that He had   
   really come in 1914, He was just invisable.  This very lame excuse was   
   given to cover the "invisable "lie.   
      
   When he ascended He went into clouds and was then 'invisable" to those   
   looking on.  He went up invisable and He remained invisable in the 1914 2nd   
   coming; got it?   
      
   I mentioned 2 places which said He would return in the clouds and be seen   
   by those on earth, in reverse of the asending into the clouds.  Now watch   
   for the excuse the jw vatican uses to cover the "invisable" lie, the 2   
   verses above were just "symbolic", got it?  Friend james will confirm here.   
   If the Matt. below was symbolic he says, is the whole of Matt. also   
   symbolic?   
      
   >You are not considering the context. Notice vs 29 and 30:   
   >   
   >" 29.  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will   
   >be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall   
   >from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.   
   > 30.  "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then   
   >all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of   
   >Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (.   
   >   
   >Notice the symbolism in vs 29:   
   >   
   >"the stars will fall from heaven"   
   >   
   >That cannot literally happen. Also in vs 30 it says:.   
   >   
   >"he sign of the Son of Man".   
   >   
   >Thus it is symbolic. And it represents invisibility.   
   >   
   Smile, and after all that excuse, "they will see the Son of"   
   >Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.", just a   
   symbol you know?   
      
   Yup, He reverses going up into clouds visable by returning in clouds fully   
   visible.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)