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From: none@none.con
On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote
(in article<7osqgid0ku3mdnge9du0eprum81dfr2d6l@4ax.com>):
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:47:40 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Sep 21, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article):
> >
> > > Paradise earth?
> > >
> > > Most righteous people think they go to Heaven when they die. They
> > > would assume the righteous ones in the OT did also. But Jesus said
> > > NO!. To repeat, Jesus said no OT servant of God went to Heaven. None,
> > > zilch, zero.
> >
> > You are a bit behind the eight ball in understanding here, of course the
> > dead
> > did not, Only the two men who never died, the others went to Paradise.
>
> If you take all the Bible literally, you can come up with weird
> concepts..Back up your statement. Scriptures please.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Revised Standard
> > > John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from
> > > heaven, the Son of man.
> > >
> > > Nor not even John the Baptist of the NT: Here is the PROOF:
> > >
> > > Even John the Baptist of the NT did not make it to Heaven: Jesus again
> > > said:
> > >
> > > -- Revised Standard
> > > Matthew 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there
> > > has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in
> > > the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
> > >
> > > But some my say,in Peter, 'the earth will be destroyed. That is
> > > symbolism. The earth will exist forever: Ec 1:4,
> > >
> > > "Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever."
> > > (NIV)
> >
> > Meaning until the end of its time. You have been shown that countless
times.
>
> If something has an END, it is not eternal.
>
> Also, that is not what that Hebrew word means. Here is Strong's
> Concordance on "forever".
>
> Strong's Ref. # 5769
>
> Romanized `owlam
> Pronounced o-lawm'
>
> or `olam {o-lawm'}; from HSN5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the
> vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e.
> (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with
> prepositional prefix) always:
>
> As you can see, it also means "eternity".
‛ôlâm
BDB Definition:
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore,
perpetual, old, ancient, world
1a) ancient time, long time (of past)
1b) (of future)
1b1) for ever, always
1b2) continuous existence, perpetual
1b3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity
Yes, it also used as "eternity" but that is not its primary meaning, and
since the scriptures cannot go against itself, then it is obvious that since
the earth will burn up, that this earth will not remain for an eternity no
more than your body will.
James, countless times we have been through all of this, and you have been
given many, many scriptures on all of these topics. Scriptures you cannot
explain away not can your cult do so.
>
>
> >
> > This earth is polluted as are the heavens above it. For that reason they
> > will be destroyed,
> >
> > You know nothing about why there are two covenants, the Old one fulfilled,
> > the New remains, and you know not God.
>
> I'll let God decide that.
He already did.
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Ps 78:69,
> > >
> > > " He built his shrine like the heavens, like the earth which he
> > > founded forever. " (NAB)
> > >
> > > Since the earth will always be around, most righteous ones will live
> > > there forever. But haven't men almost destroyed the environment?
> > > Yes, but God will take care of it:
> >
> > This earth will be burnt up along with the solar system, and you know the
> > Bible teaches that.
>
> I know what the Bible says about it. Why would God destroy the solar
> system? He worked hard to create it. (Gen 1:1)
He didn't work hard to create it. He is going to destroy it due to its
pollution by men as well as Satan and his cohorts. Besides the dead bodies of
men, and space equipment, there is the pollution of electronic signals, porn,
anti-god teachings in the air waves as well as all of space all the videos,
etc, it is polluted, heavily so.
>
>
> And why would He contradict himself at Ec 1:4 and destroy the earth?
AYUP! There ya go!
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat,
and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
“Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the
heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a
garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my
salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.”
(Isa 51:6)
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
(Mat 24:35)
Therefore you can see that these things will be gone, and this was all well
state before the Book of the Revelation was given to us.
So the word of God does contradict the lies you fabricate, distorting and
mistranslating the word of God that is given to man.
>
> Use your common sense. If you are a landlord and rent a house to some
> tenants, and they mess up the house, do you kick them out and burn
> down the house? In a similar fashion, that is what you are accusing
> God to do.
Nope, you do as is written above. Just like your current body will cease to
exist.
>
> God will remove the wicked, repair the damage, and give new
> responsible tenants to take care of it. As Jesus put it:
Yes, Jesus/God whom you deny. You claim to be a witness for Jehovah, yet
speak of and use the words of Jesus as God, all the while denying Him as God.
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
And which "earth" is that, since there is a former and a latter earth.
>
> Sincerely James
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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