XPost: alt.bible   
   From: nospam@nightbulb.net   
      
   On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 09:50:59 -0400   
   James  wrote:   
      
   > On 19 Sep 2023 17:04:10 GMT, servant wrote:   
   >   
   > >   
   > >It is better to be in the truth then to swallow a lie.   
   > >>Many Bibles translate the OT word "sheol" as hell.(or just leave it   
   > >>as "sheol") And it talks about people dying and going to sheol. So   
   > >>what is sheol?   
   > >Answer; the grave as the early OTperiod hebrews defined it.. Friend   
   > >james has been corrected before on this jw vatican lack of hebrew   
   > >change in thought on this topic.   
   >   
   > You are treating the Bible like any other book. God's word does not   
   > change. If sheol was the grave in the OT, it still was in the NT. God   
   > does not change"   
      
   Yet Watchtower theologians have tried to change the meaning of the   
   word. Sheol means much more than, "grave." The bible tells us so.   
      
   The Old Testament speaks of higher and lower hells or "sheols" and   
   compares them to the higher and lower heavens. So for your folk   
   etymology to be true, you also must deny the existence of the higher   
   and lower heavens, and you must deny the existence of heaven, or claim   
   that heaven is merely the ground atop the grave. In a sense that is   
   what you do with your fake "paradise earth" teaching which I previously   
   debunked, proving from the bible that "paradise" is in heaven, not on   
   earth.   
      
   Let us examine the higher and lower hells of the Old Testament.   
      
    Deuteronomy 32:22   
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the LOWEST   
    HELL, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire   
    the foundations of the mountains.   
      
   In this verse "lowest hell" is from "tachtiy sheol" and means just   
   that, the lowest or foundational level of hell. The ancient Hebrew   
   "tachtiy" is translated "lowest".   
      
    Psalms 86:13   
    For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from   
    the LOWEST HELL.   
      
   Once again the phrase, "tachtiy sheol" is used in this verse. It   
   indicates different levels of sheol contiguous to the Greek concepts of   
   Hades and Tartarus, which also have higher and lower levels. In fact,   
   the Old Testament sometimes refers to "sheol" as, "the pit" which is   
   what the Greeks called Tartarus: "the pit." The Hebrew "sheol" is   
   talking about the same thing as the Greek Tartarus--an afterlife   
   underworld for disembodied souls. Because of your religious agenda you   
   miss these mentions and comparisons in the bible, then babble on about   
   how the bible does not change.   
      
   If "sheol" means only, "the grave" as you (falsely) claim, then why   
   does it have a higher and lower level just like Hades? Why is it   
   called the pit like Tartarus? And why does Job compare the depth of the   
   Hebrew sheol the height of the heavens and the breadth of the sea?   
      
   Rhetorical questions are the best.   
      
   Wikipedia says:   
      
     "Hesiod asserts that a bronze anvil falling from heaven would fall   
     nine days before it reached the earth. The anvil would take nine more   
     days to fall from earth to Tartarus. In the Iliad (c. 8th century   
     BC), Zeus asserts that Tartarus is "as far beneath Hades as heaven is   
     above earth." Similarly the mythographer Apollodorus, describes   
     Tartarus as "a gloomy place in Hades as far distant from earth as   
     earth is distant from the sky.""   
      
   When speaking of God's great expansiveness, and heaven, and sheol, Job   
   hints at the same idea the Greeks had about Tartarus:   
      
     "Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the   
     Almighty unto perfection? It is as high as heaven; what canst   
     thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure   
     thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea."   
      
   So here the depth of sheol is compared to the height of heaven and the   
   expanse of the sea. It means much more than, "grave." Sheol in ancient   
   Hebrew was nearly contiguous to the Greek concepts of Tartarus and   
   Hades.   
      
   The Greek Hades is the realm of the dead, and Tartarus is a pit realm   
   for the fallen angels, or "titans." The New Testament even mentions   
   this. In time the concepts get mixed together with different versions   
   of Greek mythology. It is roughly contiguous the the Hebraic sheol.   
      
   It is plain to see that the Old Testament describes sheol similar to   
   the Greek Hades or Tartarus. Jesus even refers to the "gates of Hades".   
      
   Plot reveal: "The pit" is not under your feet. You are in the pit.   
      
   When one believes and is converted by the gospel of Jesus, he is   
   rescued from sheol at that moment. He is beginning to follow Jesus on   
   his rise up out of the land of the dead into the heavenly.   
      
   How long will you resist the truth, James? Your watchtower is Sauron's   
   eye in Mordor. Your religion is the pit. You wear religious chains.   
      
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