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   Message 140,416 of 141,674   
   No one to James   
   Re: Still believe in hellfire? (1/3)   
   26 Sep 23 12:01:06   
   
   XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian.biblestudy   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic   
   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Sep 26, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 08:00:19 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 25, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:24:27 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Sep 24, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:56:43 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article<41bsgihe97kms9d21vep2ivqtq5sdd5d4e@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 07:40:06 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:11:51 -0700, No one    
   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > (in article<711ngidapu5miv9ovbdirepht5fjba6qhl@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:52:58 -0700, No one   
   none@none.con>  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are treating the Bible like any other book.   
   God's word does   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > not   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > change. If sheol was the grave in the OT, it still   
   was in the NT.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > God   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not change"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon me for interrupting your "servant "friend""   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > But in response to your statement above let me show   
   you and OT   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > scripture   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > that counteracts your words.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > “They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our   
   rest   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > the dust.” (Job 17:16)   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (ESV)Will it go down to the bars of Sheol? Shall we   
   descend   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > into   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > the dust?”   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (NKJV)Will they go down to the gates of Sheol? Shall   
   we have rest   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dust?"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (YLT)To the parts of Sheol ye go down, If together on   
   the dust we   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > may   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > rest.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you require more proof that God never contradicts   
   himself?   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, sheol is the grave where people "rest".   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > It is the pit of hell, isolated from the spot where the   
   body is   
   > > > > > > > > > > buried.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Read the verse again where do you see gates on all burial   
   sites that   
   > > > > > > > > > > are   
   > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > the ground. The dust references the dirt you dig up.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I can only tell you what the Bible says. What you do with it   
   is up to   
   > > > > > > > > > you.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > But you do not tell us, you try to deceive us with half truths,   
   > > > > > > > > distortions,   
   > > > > > > > > and outright lies.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Please:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Give me an example of my alleged "half truths"   
   > > > > > > > Give me an example of my alleged "distortions.   
   > > > > > > > Give me an example of my alleged "lies"   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > I have given you many. I could give you a thousand more, but with   
   your   
   > > > > > > hardened heart you will choose to hear no better than before.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Read what the voice of the Heavenly Father has to say about you and   
   > > > > > all the others:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- New King James   
   > > > > > Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all   
   > > > > > the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will   
   come.   
   > > > > > JW's are the only one's preaching the kingdom message as declared in   
   > > > > > the Bible. For example, on the cover of their world-wide distribution   
   > > > > > of their Bible-aid magazine, the Watchtower it says:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Did you read what you wrote just above ;)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > What have I been telling you about Jesus as Jehovah? The scriptures I   
   > > > > quoted,   
   > > > > and your disagreement with them because you say that Jesus is not God?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Yet here you are proudly backing up what I showed you, and talking out   
   the   
   > > > > other side of your mouth. All you do is sow confusion to yourself and   
   the   
   > > > > seeds of confusions to the JW's around you.   
   > > >   
   > > > Preaching the Kingdom message at Mt 24:14 worldwide is confusing to   
   > > > you? It shouldn't be. Its plain English.   
   > >   
   > > That has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and the JW does not preach   
   > > it. They do not even know what it is all about.   
   >   
   > That's your opinion. Millions of us preach the Kingdom message. For   
   > PROOF notice what is left at many people's door around the world. It   
   > says on the cover,   
   >   
   > ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM   
   >   
   > What do you believe that Kingdom to be?   
      
   I know the Kingdom of God to be that of the Kingdom of Jesus upon this world   
   for 1000 years, the very same kingdom that Jesus mentioned that His Kingdom   
   is not of this world. For currently it is the spiritual Kingdom. Yet when he   
   returns and sets up His Kingdom it will then rule over the entire earth both   
   scripturally and physically as promised to the Jews.   
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > Fact is I just quoted from Jeremiah a prophecy he had to the future   
   > > > > Israelites, wherein Jesus will be the King of the Millennial Kingdom   
   here   
   > > > > on   
   > > > > earth, after which is the white throne judgment and then the burning   
   up of   
   > > > > the earth and the heavens about it.   
   > > >   
   > > > Wow, you are short changing God. Yes, Jesus will be the king in God's   
   > > > Kingdom and rule over the earth: but from HEAVEN. No one on earth will   
   > > > ever see him again. HERE IS THE PROOF!   
   > > >   
   > > > -- Revised Standard   
   > > > John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but   
      
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