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   Message 140,434 of 141,675   
   No one to James   
   Re: Still believe in hellfire? (1/5)   
   27 Sep 23 18:58:38   
   
   XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian.biblestudy   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic   
   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Sep 27, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:14:39 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 27, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:01:06 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Sep 26, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 08:00:19 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:24:27 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:56:43 -0700, No one    
   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > (in article<41bsgihe97kms9d21vep2ivqtq5sdd5d4e@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 07:40:06 -0700, No one   
   none@none.con>  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:11:51 -0700, No   
   one  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<711ngidapu5miv9ovbdireph   
   5fjba6qhl@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:52:58 -0700, No   
   one   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are treating the Bible like any other   
   book. God's word   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change. If sheol was the grave in the OT, it   
   still was in the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NT.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not change"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon me for interrupting your "servant   
   "friend""   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But in response to your statement above let me   
   show you and OT   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scripture   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that counteracts your words.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “They shall go down to the bars of the pit,   
   when our rest   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dust.” (Job 17:16)   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (ESV)Will it go down to the bars of Sheol?   
   Shall we descend   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dust?”   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (NKJV)Will they go down to the gates of Sheol?   
   Shall we have   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rest   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dust?"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (YLT)To the parts of Sheol ye go down, If   
   together on the dust   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rest.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you require more proof that God never   
   contradicts himself?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, sheol is the grave where people "rest".   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the pit of hell, isolated from the spot   
   where the body is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read the verse again where do you see gates on all   
   burial sites   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ground. The dust references the dirt you dig   
   up.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only tell you what the Bible says. What you do   
   with it is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > up   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > But you do not tell us, you try to deceive us with   
   half truths,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > distortions,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > and outright lies.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Please:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Give me an example of my alleged "half truths"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Give me an example of my alleged "distortions.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Give me an example of my alleged "lies"   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > I have given you many. I could give you a thousand more,   
   but with   
   > > > > > > > > > > your   
   > > > > > > > > > > hardened heart you will choose to hear no better than   
   before.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Read what the voice of the Heavenly Father has to say about   
   you and   
   > > > > > > > > > all the others:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > -- New King James   
   > > > > > > > > > Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be   
   preached in all   
   > > > > > > > > > the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end   
   will   
   > > > > > > > > > come.   
   > > > > > > > > > JW's are the only one's preaching the kingdom message as   
   declared in   
   > > > > > > > > > the Bible. For example, on the cover of their world-wide   
   distribution   
   > > > > > > > > > of their Bible-aid magazine, the Watchtower it says:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Did you read what you wrote just above ;)   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > What have I been telling you about Jesus as Jehovah? The   
   scriptures I   
   > > > > > > > > quoted,   
   > > > > > > > > and your disagreement with them because you say that Jesus is   
   not God?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Yet here you are proudly backing up what I showed you, and   
   talking out   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > other side of your mouth. All you do is sow confusion to   
   yourself and   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > seeds of confusions to the JW's around you.   
      
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