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   From: dx7066801@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/29/2023 6:04 PM, No one wrote:   
   > On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   > (in article ):   
   >   
   >> On 9/29/2023 1:32 PM, No one wrote:   
   >>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote   
   >>> (in article ):   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 9/29/2023 11:06 AM, No one wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, James wrote   
   >>>>> (in article<5ojdhi1ub9s7gq0d84sib88ri17jdudpsg@4ax.com>):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT), "resl...@yahoo.com"   
   >>>>>>   wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I am reproducing this from what I have presented on the website:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (1) The Bible hell (sheol/hades) is described as being the realm of   
   >>>>>>> death,   
   >>>>>>> that is, the realm of the condition of being dead; it is described as a   
   >>>>>>> condition in which there is no work, no device, no knowledge, nor   
   >>>>>>> wisdom.   
   >>>>>>> (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 -- many translations render "sheol" as "the grave"   
   >>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>> verse 9).   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (2) The only Old Testament word translated hell in the King James   
   >>>>>>> Version   
   >>>>>>> is the Hebrew word transliterated as sheol, to which the New Testament   
   >>>>>>> word   
   >>>>>>> transliterated as hades corresponds.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (3) In the King James translation of the Bible, sheol and hades are   
   >>>>>>> translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times and frequently   
   >>>>>>> when translated hell, the margin reads, "or, the grave," or vice versa.   
   >>>>>>> (Psalm 49:15; 55:15; 86:13; Isaiah 14:9; Jonah 2:2; 1 Corinthians   
   15:55;   
   >>>>>>> Revelation 20:13) Many translations transliterate the words sheol and   
   >>>>>>> hades. A close examination of all the instances sheol and hedes in the   
   >>>>>>> Bible shows that the usage of these words are always in agreement with   
   >>>>>>> what   
   >>>>>>> is stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, except for one instance (Luke 16:23)   
   >>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>> which Jesus makes use of the Hellenistic adaptation of hades to present   
   >>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>> parabolic parody depicting how the Law and the Prophets were until   
   John.   
   >>>>>>> --   
   >>>>>>> Luke 16:16.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (4) Some translations render forms of the Greek word often   
   >>>>>>> transliterated   
   >>>>>>> as Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom) as "hell" or "hellfire", but this does   
   not   
   >>>>>>> mean the same as sheol/hades.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (5) Some translations also render the verb often transliterated as   
   >>>>>>> "tataroo" as "cast down to hell", but the word does not mean this at   
   >>>>>>> all.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> See our study: Tartaroo Vs. Tartarus   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (6) Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. (John 8:44) Satan   
   >>>>>>> promised   
   >>>>>>> Eve that her disobedience to God would not result in death; that is,   
   >>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>> she would not die. He has been using the promise to deceive people all   
   >>>>>>> over   
   >>>>>>> the world ever since. (Genesis 3:1-4; Revelation 12:9) It is Satan who   
   >>>>>>> has   
   >>>>>>> the world believing that a person does not really die, therefore he   
   lies   
   >>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>> the world that those who are bad are roasting somewhere for all   
   >>>>>>> eternity,   
   >>>>>>> thus making God appear to be some kind of fiend. With such a view being   
   >>>>>>> broadly presented by a large portion of professed Christians, no wonder   
   >>>>>>> thousands are turning away from the Bible and going to neo-paganism,   
   >>>>>>> heathen religions and philosophies, agnosticism and atheism. The   
   >>>>>>> doctrine   
   >>>>>>> of eternal roasting is a blasphemy to the Creator. Indeed, those who   
   >>>>>>> claim   
   >>>>>>> to be friends of the Bible are often its worst enemies.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (7) Satan uses all kinds of deceptive means to continue his lies,   
   >>>>>>> including   
   >>>>>>> spiritism, hypnotism, near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences,   
   >>>>>>> etc.   
   >>>>>>> "And when they say to you, 'Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who   
   >>>>>>> whisper and mutter,' should not a people seek their God? Should they   
   >>>>>>> seek   
   >>>>>>> the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If   
   >>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>> do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in   
   >>>>>>> them." -- Isaiah 8:19,20, New King James Version.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (8) Many claim that hell is made up of various sections, and that   
   >>>>>>> originally paradise was a part of hell, and that another part of hell   
   >>>>>>> consisted of eternal torture. Contrary to the idea that any part of the   
   >>>>>>> Bible hell is a place of fire, torture, shrieks, etc., the Bible says:   
   >>>>>>> "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol,   
   >>>>>>> where   
   >>>>>>> you are going." - "in death there is no memory of you. In Sheol, who   
   >>>>>>> shall   
   >>>>>>> give you thanks?" - "For Sheol can't praise you, death can't celebrate   
   >>>>>>> you." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (9) Nevertheless, good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (the Bible   
   >>>>>>> hell)   
   >>>>>>> at death: e.g., Jacob went down to sheol (Genesis 37:35); Job prayed to   
   >>>>>>> go   
   >>>>>>> to sheol, to be hidden there, until the resurrection (Job 14:13). Nor   
   >>>>>>> does   
   >>>>>>> the Bible even once depict the good as going to an alleged section of   
   >>>>>>> sheol   
   >>>>>>> called "paradise" at death, as is claimed by many. In the Bible,   
   >>>>>>> paradise   
   >>>>>>> is never depicted as a section of sheol or hades. Such a thought has to   
   >>>>>>> be   
   >>>>>>> imagined beyond what is written, and added to, and read into what is   
   >>>>>>> written. Instead of going to paradise at death, David expected to be in   
   >>>>>>> condition in sheol where he could not give thanks to Jehovah and we   
   >>>>>>> further   
   >>>>>>> read that "Sheol can't praise you, death can't celebrate you." These   
   >>>>>>> descriptions of the righteous in sheol do not agree with the added-on   
   >>>>>>> idea   
   >>>>>>> that paradise was ever a compartment in sheol. -- Psalm 6:5; Isaiah   
   >>>>>>> 38:18.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> (10) Jesus made his human soul "an offering for sin"; he "poured out   
   his   
   >>>>>>> soul to death" (Isaiah 53:10, 12; Matthew 26:38), and descended into   
   the   
   >>>>>>> Bible hell, but "his soul was not left in hell [sheol/hades - a state   
   of   
   >>>>>>> unknowing]." Thus, Jesus' soul was in the oblivious condition in the   
   >>>>>>> Bible   
   >>>>>>> hell while he was dead, but it did not remain there. His, "soul",   
   >>>>>>> however   
   >>>>>>> in coming out of sheol, was not the sacrificed human soul, a little   
   >>>>>>> lower   
   >>>>>>> than the angels, which was offered once for all time on behalf of   
   >>>>>>> mankind,   
      
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