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From: novalidemail@ymail.com
On 9/29/2023 11:05 PM, No one wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2023, Rod wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> On 9/29/2023 6:04 PM, No one wrote:
>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>> (in article ):
>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2023 1:32 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 11:06 AM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, James wrote
>>>>>>> (in article<5ojdhi1ub9s7gq0d84sib88ri17jdudpsg@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT), "resl...@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am reproducing this from what I have presented on the website:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (1) The Bible hell (sheol/hades) is described as being the realm of
>>>>>>>>> death,
>>>>>>>>> that is, the realm of the condition of being dead; it is described as
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> condition in which there is no work, no device, no knowledge, nor
>>>>>>>>> wisdom.
>>>>>>>>> (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 -- many translations render "sheol" as "the
>>>>>>>>> grave"
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> verse 9).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (2) The only Old Testament word translated hell in the King James
>>>>>>>>> Version
>>>>>>>>> is the Hebrew word transliterated as sheol, to which the New
Testament
>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>> transliterated as hades corresponds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (3) In the King James translation of the Bible, sheol and hades are
>>>>>>>>> translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times and
>>>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>>> when translated hell, the margin reads, "or, the grave," or vice
>>>>>>>>> versa.
>>>>>>>>> (Psalm 49:15; 55:15; 86:13; Isaiah 14:9; Jonah 2:2; 1 Corinthians
>>>>>>>>> 15:55;
>>>>>>>>> Revelation 20:13) Many translations transliterate the words sheol and
>>>>>>>>> hades. A close examination of all the instances sheol and hedes in
the
>>>>>>>>> Bible shows that the usage of these words are always in agreement
with
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> is stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, except for one instance (Luke
16:23)
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> which Jesus makes use of the Hellenistic adaptation of hades to
>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> parabolic parody depicting how the Law and the Prophets were until
>>>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Luke 16:16.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (4) Some translations render forms of the Greek word often
>>>>>>>>> transliterated
>>>>>>>>> as Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom) as "hell" or "hellfire", but this does
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> mean the same as sheol/hades.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (5) Some translations also render the verb often transliterated as
>>>>>>>>> "tataroo" as "cast down to hell", but the word does not mean this at
>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See our study: Tartaroo Vs. Tartarus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (6) Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. (John 8:44) Satan
>>>>>>>>> promised
>>>>>>>>> Eve that her disobedience to God would not result in death; that is,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> she would not die. He has been using the promise to deceive people
all
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> the world ever since. (Genesis 3:1-4; Revelation 12:9) It is Satan
who
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> the world believing that a person does not really die, therefore he
>>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the world that those who are bad are roasting somewhere for all
>>>>>>>>> eternity,
>>>>>>>>> thus making God appear to be some kind of fiend. With such a view
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> broadly presented by a large portion of professed Christians, no
>>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>> thousands are turning away from the Bible and going to neo-paganism,
>>>>>>>>> heathen religions and philosophies, agnosticism and atheism. The
>>>>>>>>> doctrine
>>>>>>>>> of eternal roasting is a blasphemy to the Creator. Indeed, those who
>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>> to be friends of the Bible are often its worst enemies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (7) Satan uses all kinds of deceptive means to continue his lies,
>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>> spiritism, hypnotism, near-death experiences, out-of-body
experiences,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> "And when they say to you, 'Seek those who are mediums and wizards,
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> whisper and mutter,' should not a people seek their God? Should they
>>>>>>>>> seek
>>>>>>>>> the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> them." -- Isaiah 8:19,20, New King James Version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (8) Many claim that hell is made up of various sections, and that
>>>>>>>>> originally paradise was a part of hell, and that another part of hell
>>>>>>>>> consisted of eternal torture. Contrary to the idea that any part of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Bible hell is a place of fire, torture, shrieks, etc., the Bible
says:
>>>>>>>>> "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol,
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> you are going." - "in death there is no memory of you. In Sheol, who
>>>>>>>>> shall
>>>>>>>>> give you thanks?" - "For Sheol can't praise you, death can't
celebrate
>>>>>>>>> you." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (9) Nevertheless, good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (the Bible
>>>>>>>>> hell)
>>>>>>>>> at death: e.g., Jacob went down to sheol (Genesis 37:35); Job prayed
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> to sheol, to be hidden there, until the resurrection (Job 14:13). Nor
>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>> the Bible even once depict the good as going to an alleged section of
>>>>>>>>> sheol
>>>>>>>>> called "paradise" at death, as is claimed by many. In the Bible,
>>>>>>>>> paradise
>>>>>>>>> is never depicted as a section of sheol or hades. Such a thought has
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> imagined beyond what is written, and added to, and read into what is
>>>>>>>>> written. Instead of going to paradise at death, David expected to be
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> condition in sheol where he could not give thanks to Jehovah and we
>>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>>> read that "Sheol can't praise you, death can't celebrate you." These
>>>>>>>>> descriptions of the righteous in sheol do not agree with the added-on
>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> that paradise was ever a compartment in sheol. -- Psalm 6:5; Isaiah
>>>>>>>>> 38:18.
>>>>>>>>>
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