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From: none@none.con
On Oct 7, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> Jesus = Michael the archangel?
>
> Don't call the men in white coats yet. Hear it out.
>
> Facts: There is apparently many “prince” angels, but only ONE
> archangel, Michael. And only one “great prince”. Dan 12:1a,
>
> “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will
> arise.“ (NIV)
>
> The name Michael in reference to the archangel is introduced in the
> book of Daniel Chapter 10. In Daniel, he is referred to as "Michael,
> your prince." (NIV) and "At that time Michael, the great prince who
> protects your people, will arise." (Dan 10:21; 12:1; NIV) Thus Michael
> is the prince of Daniel's people, the Israelites.
Dan 10:13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty
days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I
remained there with the kings of Persia.
Michael is What? One of what? Why do you intend to deceive others?
>
> This connection to Daniel's people is an indicator that this angel is
> the same powerful angel that led the Israelites out of Egypt. (Ex
> 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Some angel did, right? So it could have
> been Michael.
Did you receive this knowledge from ChatGpt or some other AI entity?
It could have been any angel of the Lords.
>
> But is there more evidence? Yes, the powerful angel Michael had a
> dispute with Satan about Moses' body. (Jude 9) Satan may very well
> wanted to trap the Israelites into relic worship, but Michael won and
> Moses body ended up in an unmarked grave. (De 34:6) Thus this Michael
> was very interested in the affairs of the Israelites.
Michal was one of the angels, what evidence you showed here does not support
any of your other guesses and suppositions.
>
> Jude refers to Michael as an archangel. The Bible doesn't name any
> other archangels. And the Bible never uses the word archangel in the
> plural form, indicating more than one exists. Thus this "Michael" has
> a unique position with God.
Then you better refer to the verses you quoted at the fore, which I C&P for
the edification of all.
It shows your folly.
>
> According to "Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament" the
> word "Archangel" means "Chief of the angels"; or as others say, "Chief
> angel". Other than God, the only other persons in the Bible that have
> authority over angels are Michael and Jesus. (Mt 25:31)
It does not say that at all.
Mat 25:31
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with
him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Why do you feel at liberty to lie, could it have been given you by the father
of lies?
>
> The Apostle Paul adds further information by connecting the word
> "archangel " with Jesus, in 1 Th 4:16,
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first:” (1Th 4:16)
What angel or angels in heaven have trumpets to blow?
Read, see, hear the word of the Lord.
Rev 8:2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were
given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:6And the seven angels which had the seventrumpets prepared themselves
to sound.
Rev 8:13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by
reason of the other voices of thetrumpet of the three angels, which are yet
to sound!
Rev 9:14Saying to the sixth angel which had thetrumpet, Loose the four angels
which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
>
>
> "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command,
> with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and
> the dead in Christ will rise first." (NIV)
>
> The scripture literally says "in voice of archangel" . It takes an
> archangel to have the voice of an archangel. And if there is only one
> archangel or "Chief angel", then it would have to be Jesus.
Again you repeat a falsehood. See Dan 10:13 as posted above.
>
> Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings and over all creation, so
> copying a subordinate angelic voice would not be appropriate here. (Re
> 19:16) Also, notice the Lord had the archangel's voice and with the
> "trumpet call of God"
Yet you declare that Jesus is not God. Do you speak with the forked tongue of
a serpent?
> then a resurrection of the dead will occur.
You are referencing it the final resurrection at the end of the millennium
However, those that are in Christ...
1Th 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are
asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the
Lord.
And this happens at the end of this age, the age of the gentiles 1007 years
before the one you speak of.
> No
> other heavenly creature has been given the authority over the dead
> except Jesus, who was given the keys of hades and death. (Rev 1:18)
It says nothing about him having been given those keys.
“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,
Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” (Rev 1:18)
> It wouldn't be appropriate for Paul to compare Jesus' voice with a
> subordinate angel who does not have authority over the dead. Jesus'
> voice would be completely superior to every other heavenly creatures'
> voice.
>
>
> So was Jesus Michael the archangel? The evidence is there. Some may
> say yes, and some no. It's your decision.
>
> Sincerely James
Far, far, better to believe the Word of God, than your evil misdirections and
claims.
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