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From: novalidemail@ymail.com
On 10/6/2023 5:22 PM, No one wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2023, Just a guy wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> On 10/6/2023 12:40 PM, No one wrote:
>>> On Oct 6, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>> (in article ):
>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2023 11:05 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Rod wrote
>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 6:04 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 1:32 PM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, Just a guy wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2023 11:06 AM, No one wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2023, James wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (in article<5ojdhi1ub9s7gq0d84sib88ri17jdudpsg@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT), "resl...@yahoo.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am reproducing this from what I have presented on the website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (1) The Bible hell (sheol/hades) is described as being the realm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> death,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is, the realm of the condition of being dead; it is
described
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition in which there is no work, no device, no knowledge, nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 -- many translations render "sheol" as "the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grave"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> verse 9).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2) The only Old Testament word translated hell in the King James
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Version
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the Hebrew word transliterated as sheol, to which the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Testament
>>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated as hades corresponds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (3) In the King James translation of the Bible, sheol and hades
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> translated hell 41 times, grave 32 times and pit 3 times and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when translated hell, the margin reads, "or, the grave," or vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> versa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Psalm 49:15; 55:15; 86:13; Isaiah 14:9; Jonah 2:2; 1 Corinthians
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15:55;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revelation 20:13) Many translations transliterate the words sheol
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hades. A close examination of all the instances sheol and hedes
in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible shows that the usage of these words are always in agreement
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, except for one instance (Luke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16:23)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which Jesus makes use of the Hellenistic adaptation of hades to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parabolic parody depicting how the Law and the Prophets were
until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke 16:16.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Some translations render forms of the Greek word often
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transliterated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom) as "hell" or "hellfire", but this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean the same as sheol/hades.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (5) Some translations also render the verb often transliterated
as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "tataroo" as "cast down to hell", but the word does not mean this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See our study: Tartaroo Vs. Tartarus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (6) Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. (John 8:44) Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eve that her disobedience to God would not result in death; that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she would not die. He has been using the promise to deceive
people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world ever since. (Genesis 3:1-4; Revelation 12:9) It is
Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world believing that a person does not really die, therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world that those who are bad are roasting somewhere for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eternity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus making God appear to be some kind of fiend. With such a view
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly presented by a large portion of professed Christians, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands are turning away from the Bible and going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neo-paganism,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heathen religions and philosophies, agnosticism and atheism. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of eternal roasting is a blasphemy to the Creator. Indeed, those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be friends of the Bible are often its worst enemies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (7) Satan uses all kinds of deceptive means to continue his lies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spiritism, hypnotism, near-death experiences, out-of-body
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And when they say to you, 'Seek those who are mediums and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wizards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whisper and mutter,' should not a people seek their God? Should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the
testimony!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them." -- Isaiah 8:19,20, New King James Version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (8) Many claim that hell is made up of various sections, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> originally paradise was a part of hell, and that another part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisted of eternal torture. Contrary to the idea that any part
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible hell is a place of fire, torture, shrieks, etc., the Bible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheol,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are going." - "in death there is no memory of you. In Sheol,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shall
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you thanks?" - "For Sheol can't praise you, death can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you." -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Psalm 6:5; Isaiah 38:18.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (9) Nevertheless, good people, as well as bad, go to sheol (the
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