XPost: alt.bible, alt.religion, alt.religion.christian.biblestudy
XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
From: none@none.con
On Oct 11, 2023, James wrote
(in article):
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 14:27:48 -0700, No one wrote:
>
> > On Oct 10, 2023, James wrote
> > (in article):
> >
> > > On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 16:34:15 -0700, No one wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 9, 2023, James wrote
> > > > (in article<32o8iilin39pmcu40v0t9r7mr85olp2ise@4ax.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > Have you seen a ghost? Many have. Want to know what it is?
> > > > > The Bible can tell you.
> > > > >
> > > > > A ghost is thought to be a returning dead person. BLEEP!!! Wrong. It
> > > > > can't be. Why? Because the Bible tells us the dead are non-existent.
> > > >
> > > > Here are two stories in the Bible that disagree with your lies.
> > >
> > > Lies, oh really?
> > >
> > > Verify in your own Bible the Scriptures below: Ec 9:5 & Ps 146:3,4
> > > that the dead are not conscious.
> >
> > This is true as far as the dead bodies are concerned, but the souls and
> > spirits of all men are immortal and remain fully conscious after death.
>
> Bleep!! Souls are immortal? Notice:
>
> -- New King James
> Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as
> well as the soul of the son is Mine; the soul who sins shall die.
Why are you writing this? You are a self confessed sinner. Therefore you are
dead.
When you kick a JW out of your group, you consider them dead also, why then
are they walking around?
>
>
> > Dead
> > bodies have no reward until the resurrection; then rewards will be meted
out
> > to all—to the righteous before the Millennium (Rev 20:4-6), and to the
> > wicked after the Millennium (Rev 20:11-15). The souls and spirits have some
> > reward at death, being admitted to heaven if they are righteous, and to
hell
> > if they are wicked.
>
> Not Biblical doctrines. A soul is a whole person. Notice Gen 2:7,
>
> -- King James
> Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> living soul.
As did every breathing animal, fowl, etc. Do you eat meat? What is the
difference between eating your children in a feast or a turkey? Nothing over
your rules,
Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul
is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to
the Gentiles.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adamwas made a quickening spirit.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your
wholespirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and
of the joints and marrow, andis a discerner of the thoughts and intents of
the heart.
Scripture speaks often about Body Soul and Spirit, when are you going to
catch up?
>
> Notice Adam BECAME A "soul", wasn't given a soul.And as shown above, a
> soul can "DIE", thus the churches teaching that the soul is immortal
> is a falsehood. If you enjoy listening to falsehoods, be my guest. But
> JW's prefer the Bible truth.
This again? Adam became a living soul when God breathed life into the mud
image of himself.
The soul that sins goes to the pit, with the demons, the soul that is born of
God goes to heaven.
The JW's lie like their father of lies.
>
>
> Also, the word "spirit" has several different meanings in the Bible.
> It usually depends upon its context.
>
> >
> > You knew that, as I have shown you from scriptures many times. That is why
I
> > said that you lied.
> >
> > In fact your own doctrine, "now" supports that, since you claim you will
> > live on earth when Jesus returns. If it were as you try to claim, there
would be
> > nothing to come out of the grave..
>
> That is not what the Bible says. First, Jesus says righteous humans
> will live forever on the earth. (a paradise earth) Notice:
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
> You don't inherit something for a temporary period, but forever.
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.” (Rev 21:1, KJV)
And it doesn't lie about it. There are lots of "forevers" that have an
ending. That has likewise been told to you many times, and yet you chose to
lie about it.
>
> Second, the Bible says there will be a resurrection of the righteous
> AND unrighteous:
Yes, and the unrighteous will be tossed into the Lake of Fire along with
their spiritual father, Lucifer. Aka Satan.
>
>
> -- New American with Apocrypha
> Acts 24:15 I have the same hope in God as they themselves have that
> there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.
>
> So the resurrected ones will have the opportunity to live forever on a
> paradise earth. (Lu 23:43) Notice:
“And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there
shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.” (Act
24:15, KJV)
Revelation 20:11-15(KJV)
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the
earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead
were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to
their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered
up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to
their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second
death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the
lake of fire.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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