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   From: Robert@none.non   
      
   On Oct 18, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<1afvii50b55mqs40dljopacf5lh663ovmo@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 08:42:23 -0700, Robert  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 12, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<7pufii1nkn7rccrlorpotjppni7rsteen3@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 08:12:45 -0700, Robert  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Oct 3, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On 03 Oct 2023 17:20:56 GMT, servant wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > It is better to be in the truth then to swallow and repeat a lie.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Friend james can answer a question about the origin of the word   
   "cross"   
   > > > > > > used in NT scripture:   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > He said historically sometime later after the NT was written its   
   shape   
   > > > > > > was   
   > > > > > > changed in meaning to the roman cross exicution device from greek   
   > > > > > > "pole".   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That explains why 99.99 percent of transilations use the word   
   "cross" to   
   > > > > > > mean the roman shape device instead of an erect greek pole .   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Friend james; let's test that theory, when was it "changed" and by   
   whom?   
   > > > > > > I'm not asking about the greek word for "pole"; just when the   
   change in   
   > > > > > > meaning happend and who did it?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > It certainly happened before we got the oldest NT Greek Bible   
   > > > > > documents.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > It might have been influenced by the first profest Christian ruler   
   > > > > > Constantine the Great, History says that in 312 CE he had a vision of   
   > > > > > a fiery cross in the heavens. But I am just speculating.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > All I know is that the Bible word used in the NT that the churches   
   > > > > > translate as "cross" is "staurus" and it means a single pole.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Then why are you always speaking of the cross. If you were right and   
   > > > > everyone   
   > > > > else including history is wrong, then you should be talking of Christ   
   on a   
   > > > > stick, always.   
   > > >   
   > > > When that subject comes up about what instrument Jesus was impaled on,   
   > > > I say an upright pole (staurus)   
   > >   
   > > You are sick, Jesus was never impaled on any pole.   
   >   
   > Then when translations use the word "cross" why is the Greek word   
   > "staurus" used there which means an upright pole?   
   >   
   > JW's are just showing what the Greek word used in the Bible stands   
   > for.   
      
   You said he was impaled on a pole, like a Hot Dog on a stick. Never has such a   
   thing happened.   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You claim all scripture is corrupted but yours, yet you use 'corrupted   
   > > > > scriptures' to make you points and support your dogma, what a   
   hypocrite to   
   > > > > your   
   > > > > stated beliefs. Why do you not walk according to your beliefs? As we   
   all   
   > > > > see   
   > > > > the JW as wolves in sheep's clothing.   
   > > >   
   > > > Actually they are a sheep in sheep's clothing.-   
   > >   
   > > Of course you would say that, your definition of truth is what you think at   
   > > the moment.   
   >   
   > If you wish to condemn, at least say something true.   
      
   That is the statement you used to explain why you "Do not lie". If it now seems   
   to you like that is not truth, good. Since now you see what we all have seen   
   all along when you used that excuse to explain why you were "really not lying".   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You claim to be Jehovahs witnesses, you claim that Jehovah and Jesus   
   are   
   > > > > different, that one is a God the other is not. Yet you cannot shut up   
   > > > > about   
   > > > > the man Jesus, and using him as the focus point of being a 'christian'   
   and   
   > > > > thereby shunning Jehovah as you witness for Christ and HIS Kingdom.   
   > > >   
   > > > Actually you have no idea what you are talking about with JW's. They   
   > > > praise Jehovah day in and day out. They sanctify His NAME according to   
   > > > Jesus' model prayer. Do you?   
   > >   
   > > Jesus said to "pray after this manner" he did not say to repeat the prayer   
   > > like the RCC does.   
   >   
   > Yes, the idea conveyed by Jesus was to praise God's name. Again, do   
   > you? (we don't recite the Lord's prayer. We just do what it says)   
      
   No, he said to enter into the courts with praise making your request known.   
      
   How can you do what it says, when you do not even believe on him because you   
   say he is not God?   
   >   
   >   
   > Have a good one.   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
   > Can all wars be stopped?   
   > 10/18/23   
   > Go to jw.org   
      
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