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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Nov 2, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 17:21:43 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > Jesus. The Anointed on, is God. Historically prophesied as God descending   
   to   
   > > earth, to be born of a virgin, conceived to the Holy Spirit of God, as   
   > > prophesied in the OT. Coming with the sole purpose of fulfilling the law of   
   > > sin and death, then to be sacrificed for all the sins of the people who   
   then   
   > > receive Him as their Lord and Saviour. He died that whosoever would believe   
   > > upon him would be saved. Which is far different than just believing that he   
   > > is God. Even Satan knew he was as he attempted to tempt him after 40 days   
   of   
   > > fasting, when he was at his weakest humanly speaking.   
   >   
   > The Devil called him "a Son of God", not God. (Mt 4:1-6)   
   > You are the son of your father. Are you also your father? Neither is   
   > Jesus God.   
      
   Again you speak with a false tongue.   
      
   “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a   
   pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast   
   thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning   
   thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash   
   thy foot against a stone.” (Mat 4:5-6)   
      
   He knew who Jesus was, yet he said "If thou be the Son of God" seeking to   
   create doubt as he knew that Jehovah had set aside his Glory and Power to be   
   born a man, as prophesied.   
      
   “Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord   
   thy God.” (Mat 4:7)   
      
   >   
   >   
   > God NEVER died (Ps 90:2), but Jesus did. (1 Thess 4:14) Therefore   
   > Jesus can't be God. How can you explain that? And there are a slew of   
   > other Scriptures that proves that Jesus is not God.   
      
   John 10:17-18(KJV)   
      
   17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might   
   take it again.   
      
   18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay   
   it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received   
   of my Father.   
      
   John 10:15(KJV)   
      
   15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life   
   for the sheep.   
      
   This was speaking of his Body, since the spirit cannot cease to exist. For   
   this reason a man without God will dwell the the Lake of Fire and Brimstone   
   to be tortured according to his level of sin, while the Redeemed ones will   
   dwell with God for ever and ever.   
      
   That you and the rest of the JW's deny the Godship of Jesus, means that you   
   deny Him, and by doing so He does not know you, per your choice. If he cannot   
   be Lord of your lives then He will deny you before his Father.   
      
   “Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also   
   before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men,   
   him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” (Mat 10:32-33)   
      
   The spirit of the antichrist that permeates the JE organization exacts a   
   great toll, not only on you but your entire family as well as those you   
   deceive. All of which adds to your judgment.   
      
   >   
   > > The JW's, to their personal deaths, deny that Jesus is God in spite of what   
   > > the scriptures speak both old and new. To their eternal detriment if they   
   do   
   > > not repent.   
   >   
   > On the contrary, it is the BIBLE that shows Jesus is not God. You will   
   > find that out when the end comes.   
      
   I already know who He is, and I am known by Him as well as His Heavenly   
   Father, and mine.   
   His Father is my Father, and as my Father he gave me His Righteousness that   
   dwells in my Spirit and renews my mind. Via Holy Spirit.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > Act 2:29-36   
   > >   
   > > 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David,   
   > > that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this   
   day.   
   > >   
   > > 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath   
   to   
   > > him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise   
   > > up Christ to sit on his throne;   
   > >   
   > > 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul   
   > > was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.   
   >   
   > "hell", is from the Greek word "hades", meaning the GRAVE, not some   
   > sadistic hellfire place.   
      
   she'ôl   
      
   BDB Definition: 1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit   
      
   1a) the underworld   
      
   1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead   
      
   1b1) place of no return   
      
   1b2) without praise of God   
      
   1b3) wicked sent there for punishment   
      
   1b4) righteous not abandoned to it   
      
   1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)   
      
   1b6) of extreme degradation in sin   
      
   “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell,   
   and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the   
   foundations of the mountains.” (Deu 32:22)   
      
   From the NT   
   geenna   
      
   Thayer Definition:   
      
   1) Hell is the place of the future punishment call “Gehenna” or   
   “Gehenna of fire”. This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of   
   Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and   
   burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.   
      
   Part of Speech: noun feminine   
      
   “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a   
   cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his   
   brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say,   
   Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Mat 5:22)   
      
   Now for the word you seem to like to use.“For if God spared not the angels   
   that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of   
   darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;” (2Pe 2:4)   
      
   tartaroō   
      
   Thayer Definition:   
      
   1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the   
   ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment   
   for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews   
      
   2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus   
      
   “And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down   
   to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done   
   in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.” (Mat 11:23)   
      
   hadēs   
      
   Thayer Definition:   
      
   1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions   
      
   2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead   
      
   3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell   
      
   And as you can see it meant both Grave and Hell.   
      
   Jesus confirmed that here   
      
   “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar   
   off, and Lazarus in his bosom.” (Luk 16:23)   
      
   Do you really desire to go there when you die?   
      
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