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   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 10/11/2023 9:58 am, No one wrote:   
   > On Nov 9, 2023, James wrote   
   > (in article<0o9oki5p8fr4jacolgcchmpbsc2tveio1c@4ax.com>):   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 22:44:55 -0800, No one  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Nov 7, 2023, James wrote   
   >>> (in article):   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 10:17:05 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Nov 2, 2023, James wrote   
   >>>>> (in article):   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 17:21:43 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Jesus. The Anointed on, is God. Historically prophesied as God   
   >>>>>>> descending   
   >>>>>>> to earth, to be born of a virgin, conceived to the Holy Spirit of God,   
   >>>>>>> as   
   >>>>>>> prophesied in the OT. Coming with the sole purpose of fulfilling the   
   law   
   >>>>>>> of sin and death, then to be sacrificed for all the sins of the people   
   >>>>>>> who   
   >>>>>>> then receive Him as their Lord and Saviour. He died that whosoever   
   would   
   >>>>>>> believe upon him would be saved. Which is far different than just   
   >>>>>>> believing that   
   >>>>>>> he is God. Even Satan knew he was as he attempted to tempt him after 40   
   >>>>>>> days   
   >>>>>>> of fasting, when he was at his weakest humanly speaking.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The Devil called him "a Son of God", not God. (Mt 4:1-6)   
   >>>>>> You are the son of your father. Are you also your father? Neither is   
   >>>>>> Jesus God.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Again you speak with a false tongue.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a   
   >>>>> pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God,   
   >>>>> cast   
   >>>>> thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge   
   >>>>> concerning   
   >>>>> thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou   
   >>>>> dash   
   >>>>> thy foot against a stone.” (Mat 4:5-6)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> He knew who Jesus was, yet he said "If thou be the Son of God" seeking to   
   >>>>> create doubt as he knew that Jehovah had set aside his Glory and Power to   
   >>>>> be   
   >>>>> born a man, as prophesied.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> “Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the   
   Lord   
   >>>>> thy God.” (Mat 4:7)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My, how you twist things. I will try to straighten them out.   
   >>>   
   >>> It is you who twists things.   
   >>   
   >> Then the Bible twists things, since that is my source of truths.   
   >   
   > God is the source of Truth, His Spirit the transmitter of His truth to men,   
   > as needed.   
      
   And when isn't He?   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
   Michael Christ   
      
      
      
      
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If Jehovah gave up His power, WHO RAN THE UNIVERSE? WHO HEARD ALL THE   
   >>>> PRAYERS BEING SAID TO GOD? WHO TOOK CHARGE IN HEAVEN WHEN GOD WAS   
   >>>> allegedly GONE?   
   >>>   
   >>> The Heavenly Father.   
   >>   
   >> Then that places God on the earth as well as in Heaven AT THE SAME   
   >> TIME.   
   >> Also if God was visibly on earth, all persons who saw Him should have   
   >> died.   
   >>   
   >> No man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)   
   >>   
   >> - New King James   
   >> John 6:46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from   
   >> God; He has seen the Father.   
   >   
   > The truth of that has been explained to you many times, yet you drop the   
   > truth like a hot potato.   
   > So lets look at the truth here while you mentioned "The Father" Since Jesus   
   > is not the Father, but Jesus IS Jehovah, then you would have to admit that   
   > you do know of the various parts of the Godhead. Even when you deny the   
   > reality of the truth,   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Who said the Devil knew FOR SURE he was not the Son of God, but God   
   >>>> Himself? There is no Bible text saying that at all. That is your pure   
   >>>> speculation.   
   >>>   
   >>> Jesus told him, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God". Satan knew who he   
   >>> was, for that reason thousands of babies under the age of two were killed.   
   >>   
   >> King Herod killed the infants because the prophecy said Jesus would   
   >> become a king. And King Herod didn't want the competition.   
   >   
   > So? Satan took advantage of his ignorance and put the ideas into his heart,   
   > to do them. Which included one of his own children.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Also, at Mt 4:7 Jesus referred to Mt 4:5,6, where GOD said He would   
   >>>> send angels to protect him. So Jesus said not to tempt God.   
   >>>   
   >>> Answer the question for yourself. Jesus made no secret of the Fact that he   
   >>> we   
   >>> the "SON of GOD" His Heavenly Father. He told Martha that he was going to   
   >>> see   
   >>> His God and her God. That he was doing the Work of His Heavenly Father.   
   >>   
   >> Yes, Jesus has the same God of all humans.   
   >   
   > Not you, nor any other pagan. Your god is the religion you serve.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> You cannot understand these things because you have no part with Him.   
   >>   
   >> Next to God, JW's say Jesus is the most important person in the   
   >> universe.   
   >   
   > So since you claim both are persons, then both are Gods? Do you ever pay   
   > attention to your words?   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Whoever   
   >>> denies Him he will deny them before His Heavenly Father.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> God NEVER died (Ps 90:2), but Jesus did. (1 Thess 4:14) Therefore   
   >>>>>> Jesus can't be God. How can you explain that? And there are a slew of   
   >>>>>> other Scriptures that proves that Jesus is not God.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> John 10:17-18(KJV)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I   
   >>>>> might   
   >>>>> take it again.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to   
   >>>>> lay   
   >>>>> it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I   
   >>>>> received   
   >>>>> of my Father.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> John 10:15(KJV)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my   
   >>>>> life for the sheep.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This was speaking of his Body, since the spirit cannot cease to exist.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Then where do animal spirits go to when they die? Ec 3:19,20,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "19. For an event [is to] the sons of man, and an event [is to] the   
   >>>> beasts, even one event [is] to them; as the death of this, so [is] the   
   >>>> death of that; and one spirit [is] to all, and the advantage of man   
   >>>> above the beast is nothing, for the whole [is] vanity.   
   >>>> 20. The whole are going unto one place, the whole have been from the   
   >>>> dust, and the whole are turning back unto the dust."   
   >>>   
   >>> Because you misquote this here it is repeated and the third verse answered   
   >>> your question.   
   >>>   
   >>> Just like the last time you brought this up.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ecc 3:19-21   
   >>>   
   >>> 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one   
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