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   From: none@none.con   
      
   On Nov 13, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article<2m04litl97kl1027gp60db0ti4hgspikd9@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 14:58:33 -0800, No one  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Nov 9, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article<0o9oki5p8fr4jacolgcchmpbsc2tveio1c@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 22:44:55 -0800, No one  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Nov 7, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > (in article):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 10:17:05 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2023, James wrote   
   > > > > > > (in article):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 17:21:43 -0700, No one  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Jesus. The Anointed on, is God. Historically prophesied as God   
   > > > > > > > > descending   
   > > > > > > > > to earth, to be born of a virgin, conceived to the Holy Spirit   
   of God,   
   > > > > > > > > as   
   > > > > > > > > prophesied in the OT. Coming with the sole purpose of   
   fulfilling the   
   > > > > > > > > law   
   > > > > > > > > of sin and death, then to be sacrificed for all the sins of   
   the people   
   > > > > > > > > who   
   > > > > > > > > then receive Him as their Lord and Saviour. He died that   
   whosoever   
   > > > > > > > > would   
   > > > > > > > > believe upon him would be saved. Which is far different than   
   just   
   > > > > > > > > believing that   
   > > > > > > > > he is God. Even Satan knew he was as he attempted to tempt him   
   after   
   > > > > > > > > 40   
   > > > > > > > > days   
   > > > > > > > > of fasting, when he was at his weakest humanly speaking.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > The Devil called him "a Son of God", not God. (Mt 4:1-6)   
   > > > > > > > You are the son of your father. Are you also your father?   
   Neither is   
   > > > > > > > Jesus God.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Again you speak with a false tongue.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth   
   him on a   
   > > > > > > pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of   
   God,   
   > > > > > > cast   
   > > > > > > thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge   
   > > > > > > concerning   
   > > > > > > thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time   
   thou   
   > > > > > > dash   
   > > > > > > thy foot against a stone.” (Mat 4:5-6)   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > He knew who Jesus was, yet he said "If thou be the Son of God"   
   seeking   
   > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > create doubt as he knew that Jehovah had set aside his Glory and   
   Power   
   > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > be   
   > > > > > > born a man, as prophesied.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > “Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt   
   the   
   > > > > > > Lord   
   > > > > > > thy God.” (Mat 4:7)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > My, how you twist things. I will try to straighten them out.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It is you who twists things.   
   > > >   
   > > > Then the Bible twists things, since that is my source of truths.   
   > >   
   > > God is the source of Truth,   
   >   
   > > His Spirit the transmitter of His truth to men,   
   > > as needed.   
   >   
   > Correct. Since God's words are in the Bible, Quoting a Scripture is   
   > like quoting God Himself.   
      
   Politicians do it all the time. So?   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > If Jehovah gave up His power, WHO RAN THE UNIVERSE? WHO HEARD ALL THE   
   > > > > > PRAYERS BEING SAID TO GOD? WHO TOOK CHARGE IN HEAVEN WHEN GOD WAS   
   > > > > > allegedly GONE?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The Heavenly Father.   
   > > >   
   > > > Then that places God on the earth as well as in Heaven AT THE SAME   
   > > > TIME.   
   > > > Also if God was visibly on earth, all persons who saw Him should have   
   > > > died.   
   > > >   
   > > > No man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)   
   > > >   
   > > > - New King James   
   > > > John 6:46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from   
   > > > God; He has seen the Father.   
   > >   
   > > The truth of that has been explained to you many times, yet you drop the   
   > > truth like a hot potato.   
   >   
   > If there was any truth told, I would remember it. But I don't usually   
   > remember false beliefs.   
      
   You do not remember the associated scriptures? Why, do you consider them   
   false beliefs?   
   >   
   >   
   > > So lets look at the truth here while you mentioned "The Father" Since Jesus   
   > > is not the Father, but Jesus IS Jehovah, then you would have to admit that   
   > > you do know of the various parts of the Godhead. Even when you deny the   
   > > reality of the truth,   
   >   
   > I also know of Satan, but that doesn't mean I worship him.   
      
   What gas that to do with what I said?   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Who said the Devil knew FOR SURE he was not the Son of God, but God   
   > > > > > Himself? There is no Bible text saying that at all. That is your pure   
   > > > > > speculation.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jesus told him, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God". Satan knew   
   who   
   > > > > he was, for that reason thousands of babies under the age of two were   
   killed.   
   > > >   
   > > > King Herod killed the infants because the prophecy said Jesus would   
   > > > become a king. And King Herod didn't want the competition.   
   > >   
   > > So? Satan took advantage of his ignorance and put the ideas into his heart,   
   > > to do them. Which included one of his own children.   
   >   
   > So what was good for the goose, was good for the gander?   
      
   Obviously not relative. Without understanding.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > > Also, at Mt 4:7 Jesus referred to Mt 4:5,6, where GOD said He would   
   > > > > > send angels to protect him. So Jesus said not to tempt God.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Answer the question for yourself. Jesus made no secret of the Fact   
   that he   
   > > > > we the "SON of GOD" His Heavenly Father. He told Martha that he was   
   going to   
   > > > > see His God and her God. That he was doing the Work of His Heavenly   
   Father.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, Jesus has the same God of all humans.   
   > >   
   > > Not you, nor any other pagan. Your god is the religion you serve.   
   >   
   > Actually, your god is a sadistic 3 headed monster that burns alive in   
   > a literal fire, living beings. He plays right into the hands of the   
   > Devil. I'll take my God any day.   
      
   That is a lie of satan that you bought into, Jesus is Jehovah.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > You cannot understand these things because you have no part with Him.   
   > > >   
   > > > Next to God, JW's say Jesus is the most important person in the universe.   
   > >   
   > > So since you claim both are persons, then both are Gods? Do you ever pay   
   > > attention to your words?   
   >   
   > Of course I do. JW's say Jehovah is God, and Jesus is a god. That's   
   > not so hard to understand is it?   
      
   Jesus IS Jehovah.   
   >   
   > You will NEVER hear Jesus say PLAINLY he was God. Or he is the Father,   
   > or he is Jehovah.   
      
   He said it plainly to Satan, He admitted it to the High Priests, as well as   
      
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