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   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 21/12/2023 4:40 am, James wrote:   
   > On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:38:20 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 13/12/2023 11:53 am, James wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 07:37:32 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 12/12/2023 1:06 am, James wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 10:21:31 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Your doctrines have not transformed you into righteousness, Sinner   
   >>>>>> James, and they never will.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Since they all only come from the Bible, don't be so sure of that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Your doctrines have not transformed you into righteousness, Sinner   
   >>>> James.  True or false?  "Be honest."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Doctrines do not make a man righteous, the Lord Jesus Christ in Person   
   >>>> does.  The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the Saviour.  God alone is the   
   >>>> Saviour, not your doctrines.   
   >>>   
   >>> What do you think Bible doctrines are? They are as if God or Jesus was   
   >>> speaking directly to us. Just believing they exist is good, but   
   >>> hearing them speak and guide us is much better.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>    From the JW.org website...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "By the end of his life on earth, Jesus had made a good name with God."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But just look at the subtlety of lukewarm sinners at work!  Jesus HAD a   
   >>>>>> good name with His Father (Of course, Jesus is of His   
   >>>>>> Spirit)..."Mat_17:5  While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud   
   >>>>>> overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This   
   >>>>>> is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But it is not what they mean above.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Notice, that was before the crucifixion, from the beginning, not by the   
   >>>>>> end that the JW doctrine infers, having worked for His value!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> James the disobeying sinner advises:   
   >>>>> You are not making any sense to me. What doctrine of inference?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You ignore the truth and try to find an obfuscation hole to hide in.   
   >>>   
   >>> Obfuscation= making things unclear.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "By the end of his life on earth, Jesus had made a good name with God."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> A lie.   
   >>>   
   >>> Where did you get that quote from?   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Lord Jesus did not make a good name for Himself; He had a good name   
   >>>> yesterday, He has a good name today, and He will forever have a good   
   >>>> name.  "Good" does not change; God does not change.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What you are not seeing with me it is not about "right or wrong"   
   >>>> doctrines, silly arguments about theology, it is about the passionate   
   truth.   
   >>>   
   >>> You speak a lot of opinions, I speak a lot of Bible truths. That's   
   >>> where we differ.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My Lord is good, He didn't make a good name for Himself thereby becoming   
   >>>> good.  Your sin is subtle (taking what is not true and trying to make it   
   >>>> the truth), as it has been from the beginning.   
   >>>   
   >>> More opinions as usual.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> Oh how subtle evil is.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And so what do their ways reveal and announce?  That you work in your   
   >>>>>> sinful state for your value (make a good name for your self).   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Insidious.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I am doing nothing of the sort. I only want to share Bible knowledge.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You share the JW sinner imperfect, bible interpretations, and doctrines   
   >>>> of flawed sinful men.   
   >>>   
   >>> Opinion.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Thanks for that!  :-).  Thanks a lot!   
   >>>   
   >>> You are welcome for whatever you are thanking me for.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When you stand before the Lord, He'll be real appreciative of that!   
   >>>   
   >>> Another opinion.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> But here is the thing: what do the stereotypical mainstream religions   
   >>>>>> really boil down to—anything different? I'll leave that with you.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The mainstream religions lay stagnated in unscriptural doctrines, such   
   >>>>> as hellfire, Trinity, Jesus is God, Purgatory, people live on right at   
   >>>>> death, Limbo, support the wars of this world, celebrations of pagan   
   >>>>> holidays such as Halloween, all good people go to Heaven, people have   
   >>>>> an immortal soul, etc, etc.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Even if all you say about them was true, how does that make you a better   
   >>>> sinner?  A better whore?  A better liar?   
   >>>   
   >>> Those do not. But knowing those false church doctrines can help   
   >>> improve ones spirituality. (Pr 4:18)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> All religious sinners have sinner doctrines.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is why they sin.  Your church is no different.   
   >>>   
   >>> The Bible again, says all people sin. Do you believe this?   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Now just for the moment say all the above is the TRUTH against the   
   >>>>> Bible (which it is). Would you support the churches? Be honest.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I am not a part of any of the churches of men.  The Lord brought me   
   >>>> through and out a long time ago.  Sadly, I dusted off my feet.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You can't get a silk purse out of a sow's ear and you can't get change   
   >>> >from those who do not want to change, who seek to justify themselves as   
   >>>> they are.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Know anyone like that?   
   >>>   
   >>> Since you asked, yes, I am talking to him.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Maybe then you can see why I do not. I can Scripturally support all of   
   >>>>> that. Just ask to see the Bible truth about them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Sincerely James,   
   >>>>> Will justice   
   >>>>> ever come?   
   >>>>> Go to jw.org   
   >>>>> 12/11/23	   
   >>>>   
   >>   
   >> Michael Christ wrote:   
   >>>> You have "made a name" for yourself, Sinner James, the only sinner in   
   >>>> all time that does not lie.   
   >>   
   >> James wrote:   
   >>> I don't know about that, but I do not knowingly lie.   
   >>   
   >> You are saying you have no sin, that you are a sinner who is   
   >> innocent—there is no such thing!  Unless you too were born sinless of a   
   >> virgin?   
   >   
   > Don't you know there are more sins than just lying?   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Here is your favourite bible verse...   
   >>   
   >> 1Jn 1:8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the   
   >> truth is not in us.   
   >>   
   >> You are stuck there because you will not confess you are a liar and a whore.   
   >   
   > If you are implying you have NO sin, then " we deceive ourselves, and   
   > the truth is not in us."   
   >   
   >>   
   >> So, there is no moving on to verse 9 for you.   
   >>   
   >> And you will never be able to go to this...   
   >>   
   >> 1Jn 1:5  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and   
   >> declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.   
   >> 1Jn 1:6  If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in   
      
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